Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow
Please do.
In regards to the meditative aspect of “praying” the rosary; just for example two of the mysteries (though all of them have great meaning to me)
When I am praying the sorrowful mysteries, I sometimes find it hard to even get past the Agony in the Garden and/or the Crowning of Thorns, and/or the Crucifixion, because I want to stay there and be with Him for a while. -—the scriptural words remain with me for a long time : “could you not watch one hour with Me?”—”we have no king but Caeser”—”Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom”. And then the Joyful: “Who am I that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?”-— “He took the Child into his arms and Blessed God”-—”and He went back to Nazareth and was subject to them”.
And so on, through all the wonderful encounters with the Lord—as if I were myself were there to plead, to touch, to love, to hold, to weep. I think I would not so easily live out these moments each day with the Lord unless I had the rosary to plan out my spiritual itinerary for me.
The rosary has offered me and my large family so many graces, especially when we prayed the mysteries together.
Many people don’t realize that even Martin Luther had Devotion to Our Lady through prayer.
From Martin Luther....
“Our prayer should include the Mother of God . . . What the Hail Mary says is that all glory should be given to God, using these words: “Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Christ. Amen!” You see that these words are not concerned with prayer but purely with giving praise and honor . . . We can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which we recite what grace God has given her. Second, we should add a wish that everyone may know and respect her “Martin Luther- (Personal Prayer Book, 1522).
The rosary has offered me and my large family so many graces, especially when we prayed the mysteries together.
In not ragging on you, ROE, but I want to point out that this is a perfect example of the kind of language where, Catholic-to Catholic, we understand that you don't think of the Rosary as doing the offering but as something more like an instrument, indeed, a "sacramental" which prompts you to offer time and prayer to God in a particular way and in that time and prayer you have received gifts and "consolations" (Catholic talk = blessings and strength) from God
But our friends who have heard little good and much evil about us could read those very words and say, "See there? They think those beads offer blessings to them, the superstitious idolaters!"
Very interesting stfassisi. I was MS Lutheran, and Mary was never mentioned. I wonder when she was dropped from “the program,” or if she was ever there to begin with.
THANKS FOR THE PING.
"Late have I loved you, O Beauty ever ancient, ever new, late have I loved you! You were within me, but I was outside, and it was there that I searched for you. In my unloveliness I plunged into the lovely things which you created. You were with me, but I was not with you. Created things kept me from you; yet if they had not been in you they would have not been at all. You called, you shouted, and you broke through my deafness. You flashed, you shone, and you dispelled my blindness. You breathed your fragrance on me; I drew in breath and now I pant for you. I have tasted you, now I hunger and thirst for more. You touched me, and I burned for your peace." - St. Augustine (The Confessions)
Don't you know you have to close you eyes really, really, really hard such that your entire face is distorted, like those TV preachers do, for a prayer to actually be heard by God?
My mother always told me it would get stuck that way.
THX.
Will check it out.
“They think those beads offer blessings to them”
That never even crossed my mind. Truly. The blessings are the words from Scripture and the depth of meaning they bring to everyday life.
I have never once thought of rosary beads offering blessings, but rather the focus of the mind and heart on the Biblical records of Christ among us.
I regret that I didn’t express myself well.
True.
When did SUPER CRASS
become a RELIGIOUS DUTY OF OBLIGATION
or is it a dogmatic ritual
in the Ortho church?
i dunno -- probably you can ask these guys
Remember, Jesse noted the following new revelation of Jesse about heaven
oh, wait, didn't your posts defend Benny (9 gods) hinn:
Quix's posts on Jesse the demonic conman Duplantis
- post 1125: Many folks assume that because Benny Hinn doesn't fit our notions of integrity and a lot of other truly very important factors--GOD SIMPLY COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT EVER USE HIM IN ANY WAY FOR ANY REASON IN ANY CONTEXT.
- From post 589: If God chooses to use Benny, that’s God’s business.
- post 1213: compared to Jesse Du Plantis in terms of pleasing God. -- don't you mean Jesse comforting God? Saying "there, there?"
- Quix: what little I’ve watched of Jesse has been edifying. He is exceedingly Biblical—way above average, imho.
- Quix: Jesse believes in the basic Biblical doctrines of evangelical Pentecostal Christianity
I seriously think that your quote, Quix: Jesse believes in the basic Biblical doctrines of evangelical Pentecostal Christianity is more than a bit wrong
Or, are you saying that Jesse teaches only Pentecostal doctrines?
Interesting -- so you don't recall your posts 1962, 1801, etc. etc.?
Hypocrisy is not the fruit of the Holy Spirit, Quix.
That's probably because you don't test as high as I do on the "Help! They're after me!" scale.
Please don't think I was ragging on you. I pinged Quix, though, because of the old "dirty pictures" joke.
Look, let's acknowledge one thing. As even Tillich understood, the MAIN disobedience, the most disastrously efficient way to clamber OUT of the stream which flows from the temple, is idolatry -- worshipping first the work of one's hands, and then the hands themselves. What in our scheme is the chief of the Capital Sins, pride, is just the most disastrous element in the capacious set of idolatries.
SO, our non-Catholic friends,while they may be wrong in their attribution of idolatry to our teaching and practice, are VERY right indeed to be on their guard against the sin itself.
We might quibble with methods and rhetoric, but we'd be wrong to complain about their intent and concern.
But, being aware of this careful concern, we feelthy papists will also be aware that they may construe what seems to us to be a natural expression as an instance of idolatry.
Even when I was a non-Catholic holyD00d, I used to caution people about saying,"Prayer works." NOT that it's not true,but that it's imprecise. If we think of prayer as something WE do, then we flirt with saying, "I have the spiritual thing I do and it brings results," -- worshipping the works of our hands. If we remember that prayer is something the Spirit does in us, then the usage is okay.
So in charity and prudence and in appreciation of the laudable concern about idolatry, I guess we need to think how our natural and unforced language may impress others.
No harm no foul.
Hey, until you've tried our Ortho shoes, don't knock us, D00d!
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