Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow
The act of consecration is dedicating for a purpose -- we cannot "give" what we are just stewards of, what we do not own.
seems to have been useful for us all to dedicate our grace, our prayers to bringing down the Evil Empire.
I believe that our prayers brought down communism,
Oh, no need to research them.
Just as you were perplexed and questioned in post 1062 on what had been excerpted in post 789 (which I explained above and seems more a difference in terminology)
, I'm sure you would be as concerned as i was about the sheer blasphemy in the following statements
| By Jesse Duplantis |
| God has the power to take life, but He can’t. He’s got the power to do it, but He won’t. He’s bound; He can’t. He says, “Death and life is in the power of” who’s tongue? Yours. You ready for this? You want something that’ll knock your lights off? You choose when you live; you choose when you die. Death and life is in the power of your tongue, not God’s. "Adam (not God) breathed life into animals" “The very first thing on Jesus’ agenda was to get rid of poverty! "With fierce prayers and determination to see my mother healed, I started talking to God. "What is going on here?! I'm praying! Dad's praying! Why isn't she healed? You cannot allow death to defeat me, God. You made a covenant with me through Jesus' blood! And that covenant says by His stripes we were healed! Where is that healing? If you break this covenant with me, you'll have to cease to be God! You must keep covenant with me. You must obey your Word!" God tells Jesse: "You have Me in a hard place, Jesse. Someone has got to give in. Get yourselves together and tell Me what I am to do!" --> So God needs Jesse to tell Him what to do? |
| By benny hinn |
| God has 9 parts (tri-theistic). A. God has a body, soul and spirit. B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit. C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit. (Benny Hinn, Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90) "He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, 'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin!" (Benny Hinn, TBN, 12/1/90).
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| I don't understand how people can read this and still say Many folks assume that because Benny Hinn doesn't fit our notions of integrity and a lot of other truly very important factors--GOD SIMPLY COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT EVER USE HIM IN ANY WAY FOR ANY REASON IN ANY CONTEXT. |
Isn't this If you break this covenant with me, you'll have to cease to be God sheer blasphemy?
i'm sure, just as you were concerned about the wording earlier, you two will be concerned about these gross blasphemies too, correct?
Allow me to get my snotty on:
I believe that , through our prayers and through the intercession we asked of the Panagia, God brought down communism.
But wow do I believe it! I remember when I was in seminary taking a bus to DC to go to the Shrine to get a rosary. In the Shrine I passed a chapel filled with "little old ladies" saying to Rosary a la mode d'Irlandais, to wit: "... and blayssed be t' froot of dy woomb, JAYsus,: and scorning them.
Less than 20 years later down comes the Berlin Wall and Yeltsin is president of a diminished Russia.
Wow! Color me Catholic! Never get between a gaggle of little old Irish Ladies and their goal 's all I'm sayin'.
On the other, they're hysterical!
I'd go with hysterical. Laughing is good.
By using our God-given graces, by focusing them and putting them to the will of God, communism was brought down -- not by human hands but by the prayers of millions.
This is in according with the writings of Malachi 11For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. -- the purest of all offerings in heaven..
Exactly!
Dominicans, even lay Dominicans, often speak of "our Holy Father Dominic". There's enough of my pre-Catholic self in me to give a teeny wince whenever we say that.
But 99% of the time that we say it, the sentence is finished, "Pray for us."
I find the Dominican approach to things congenial to my gifts (if any) and inclinations, at least my better inclinations.
The recent scandal involving a man called "Dominique" has given me the ear-worm of the song of the "singing nun" back when Cronos was a gleam in his father's eye (well, almost). The last line of the chorus was,"En tous chemins, en tous lieux, il ne parle que du bon Dieu"
in all his travelling, in all places, he spoke only of the good God.
The standard line is "Dominic spoke only to God or of Him."
In a meager imitation of this I do hardly any politics on FR anymore and am weaning myself from politics on Facebook.
What this is about is that, for me, to consecrate and dedicate myself to the Lord involves models and guides. Chief among these would be Mary's self-giving as exemplified by the Annunciation.
But after that would be Dominic's joyfulness, courage, faith, and focus. It still amazes me that when his order was young, small, and poor, he scattered the friars, two-by-two, and sent them off to preach and to study. Everyone thought that would kill the order as it was coming to life.
(As I like to say, "It's all about the 'glad tidings,'" which is why I took the name Dominic Gabriel when I joined the order. They seem to me to be the principle 'glad tidings' D00ds, and I've thought Gabriel was cool since I was,like, five years old.)
This is a strained comparison, but if the master left me with, say, 5 talents and went away, and if I wanted to serve him well, I might find a local 'mentor' to advise me on how best to make the talents generate wealth and income for my lord.
At a deeper and even less clear level, Paul is always talking about being "in" someone, usually Christ, but sometimes one's spouse. And while Paul and John seem so different in style and diction, in John's Gospel Jesus also talks about being "in" him and he in us and he in the Father, and so forth.
I think of the Ptolemaic concept of the universe and the idea that the entire universe rotates once a day. That motion carries all the planets, yet 'in' the outer sphere with its daily "motion of the same" the planets (including, don't forget, the sun and the moon in this scheme) have their own "motion of the other", which retards their motion with respect to the daily rotation, and gives them their apparent motion among the stars.
So, "in" Dominic or "in" Mary, I am still "in" Christ.
This is not an argument but a offering of a notion which might shed light on the attitude some of us have.
-- the purest of all offerings in heaven..
This is so evocative of the Eucharist as shared by us in orthodoxy around the world and through time.
, oh that was nearly 19 years before... ;-P
Many people have...But that has nothing to do with you or I or Mary performing miracles...
Consarned whippersnappers! ;-)
You say:
But I don't see everyone doing signs and miracles...I haven't done any...Have you???
then you say.
Many people have [seen or participated in miracles]...But that has nothing to do with you or I or Mary performing miracles...
I'm wondering if your 'thesis' could be stated. Right now it seems that it's amorphous. it's like global warming: whatever any one observes (including colder climate) is proof of your point, while the point is unclear to me, and the argument nonexistent, so far.
I suppose John was saying exactly what he said...
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
That tells us Jesus was a very busy person...And then John goes on to say
Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
As the verse tells us, every thing we need to know to attain salvation has been written...Those other things that Jesus did would not contribute one iota of knowledge to our ability to get saved...
2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
And that would be the gospel that was given to Paul to give to us...And he did...In full...
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
There is absolutely nothing that indicates the oral tradition would be any thing different than the written tradtion...Nothing...In fact, it would be ridiculous if they were...
With your religion's position, the pope would be telling the people to stand fast and EITHER follow the bible or the Catholic tradition...
Bu then too, the verse doesn't say the BIBLE or tradition...It says tradition, whether spoken OR written...
There's no way the verse can be twisted or stretched make it say, hold the teachings which you have been taught, by the written scriptures and the oral tradition...And that's what you guys try to make it say...And it doesn't...
And please do not get derailed by the phrase "stewardship of the heart" - those are my words attempting to sum up the parable.
The first two stewards in the parable personally work the owner's possessions and are rewarded with doubled resources in the new life. The third who hid the talent was banished to torment. The owner who is God in the parable obviously owns the stewards, i.e. He decrees their fate.
Interestingly the parable does not mention that a steward-investor in an "exchanger" would receive the same double resources (one talent plus interest) to enter the new life.
Truly, I believe intercessory prayer is one of the most important ways we "work out" the "talents" God has given.
In my view, as a Christian it would be burying the talent to be mute in the face of suffering.
I see that not so much as an exchange but more as a way to increase the grace by focusing it (bad terminology but I hope that gives the meaning)
Communism I'm convinced was collapsed through prayer. The focal point of that prayer was the "conversion of Russia", the dedication of prayers, of these talents of these graces given to us, the stewards of this -- the focal point was focused on the Kremlin and it worked a miracle!
Never get between a gaggle of little old Irish Ladies and their goal 's all I'm sayin'.My father would always say those old ladies were "cramming for the finals," but I know better; they are keeping towns afloat.
Our view of the cosmos- heaven and earth is a vast, innumerable family gathered under the Trinity. There is a physical death, but the soul continues.
They live and worship God now. Life continues both inside and outside time.
The Communion of the Saints is not something simply on earth among believers only understood by our limited human minds, but a infinite family throughout time and space.
It is a family, interacting on earth and in heaven solely when God allows petition.
~When God allows petition~ I can ask a saint to pray with and for me, but it is God who answers my prayer. It is no different to me than if I were sitting in Adoration praying with other people for petition. We will always talk past each other because of this. It can't be helped. The redaction of the bible has limited our ability to understand each other.
By focusing our prayers, by consecrating/dedicating them to a particular cause we can work global-level miracles like the fall of communism
As Christ pointed out in the parable of the Talents, we must use our gifts and increase them -- and how does it increase? By putting them to good use to increase the bounty for Christ
Thank you.
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