Life and Death and the Last Days, or Why Eschatology Matters

American Vision ^ | May 27, 2011 | Joel McDurmon

[ansel12]

There is truth to this, end times and revelations is not much to build a life of Christian fellowship, families, Christian learning and growth on.

[Genoa]

Gary DeMar runs the website. He is postmillennial and partial preterist. The writer is trying to use Camping and a crazy lady in California as an argument against premillennialism. Myself, I want to be ready just in case DeMar is wrong about the world's long, happy future.

[hinckley buzzard]

nonsensical hounding upon Rapture and End Times by most Christian pastors, teachers, and parents

Stopped reading here. Anyone this ignorant of current prevailing Christian practice and belief has nothing useful to say. The reality is that "most Christian pastors, teachers, and parents" pay no attention to "Rapture and End Times" whatsoever. These are splinter concerns.

[Siena Dreaming]

The reality is that "most Christian pastors, teachers, and parents" pay no attention to "Rapture and End Times" whatsoever

A lot of the eschatology stuff drives the Israel debate.

The religious aspect is what drives a lot of public support for Israel. I even heard Sarah Palin make reference to the "Old Testament" to support her backing of Israel last week.

[paradoxical]

I support a democratic Israel. I also think after AD70 things have changed

[Siena Dreaming]

I think as you do.

But for many many people, it's what they believe about eschatology in Scripture which is driving their beliefs about Israel.

[paradoxical]

....I think as you do.....
Oh, Siena Dreaming, this is my first post in a long long time.
Ad70 is the most controversial, biblical,eschatological statement I would expect flames from..thanks

[throwback]

She has since been relieved by learning the truth about eschatology—the Tribulation took place in AD 70. It pertained to Israel, not the whole world. Now, take dominion, multiply, and the Church will prevail in history.

If the Church is going to prevail, who needs Christ?

[Siena Dreaming]

I suppose I misunderstood you.

I thought that what you meant was 70 AD was a signal that the dynamics concerning the Old Covenant had changed.

Usually dispensationalists say that 1948 was the point of change.

[paradoxical]

you understand

[Siena Dreaming]

That's good.

BTW...I like your About Page.

[paradoxical]

thanks
be well

[Campion]

It’s not Biblical.

And plenty of Christians think that what you're preaching is not what the Bible teaches, but is a combination of hyperliteral interpretation of a book that is full of symbolism, along with reading into the text stuff that simply isn't there.

For example:

After the tribulation period is a 1,000 year reign on Earth by Yeshua

The Bible says:

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[a] thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. -- Rev 20:4-6, NKJV

Nothing in that passage says that Jesus will reign visibly on earth for 1000 years. Maybe that's what it means, but that's just one interpretation, not the only "Biblical" one.

Having said that, I also think that the events of AD 70 were merely the "dress rehearsal" for the real End Times, and the real capital-T Tribulation is yet to come.

[Iscool]

And Jesus will rule all nations with a rod of iron and put them under his feat...

How then do we explain Iran and Afghanistan, or Sudan, or the U.S.A. for that matter???

How much scripture must they destroy to come up with Preterism fallacy???

[Lee N. Field]

I thought that what you meant was 70 AD was a signal that the dynamics concerning the Old Covenant had changed.

Usually dispensationalists say that 1948 was the point of change.

After a generation's grace period after Christ's resurrection and ascention, A.D. 70 was the unquestionable end of the Old (Mosaic) Covenant typological cultic order. No temple to go to, no sacrifices, priesthood scattered or dead.

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. "

It's bothersome, that some Christians want it back.

[Gamecock]

Your eschatology matters.

Yup.

In fact, all doctrine matters.

If you go to a church that just teaches Jesus loves you, why go to church. After all, Jesus loves you. I can sleep in and it doesn't matter.

[Lee N. Field]

After all, Jesus loves you.

In Jude, verse 5, the English Standard Version uses a textual variant. From what I've read, it's the better attested reading, but it's jarring.

Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

Jesus loves, who?