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To: HarleyD; Natural Law; daniel1212; Cronos; Kolokotronis; Notwithstanding; MarkBsnr; bronx2; Quix; ...
The early fathers had no problem in deciding what was inerrant and infallible scripture and what wasn't. Funny, when claiming what was inerrant, they selected just a few books of scriptures

In a great variety too. Could you tell me which version of the Luke's Gospel (long or short) do you consider "inerrant and infallible"?

The Orthodox rejects the Nicene Creed...and the and the blasphemous interpretation of Mary

LOL! Kolo, do you "reject" the Nicene Creed "and the blasphemous interpretation of Mary"?

They embrace homosexuals telling them they're really OK, but don't do anything a priest wouldn't do

This is really getting old. How many corrupt, homosexual, Jim Joneses, money manipulating, prostitute chasing, end of the world nuts do you have in the Protestant community to pretend to have the moral high ground form which to throw mud at others?

Truth is Roman Catholics have changed the interpretation of the atonement, of faith, of grace, of judgment, and just about every other major doctrine

They did to an extent, and the Protestants followed right along, and changed it one more time, so they are twice removed. How does that make them "better"?

There really isn't anything left of Christianity in Roman Catholicism except funny hats and lots of pomp. And those weren't Christian either

Rich and opulent, money flaunting TV evangelicals aren't exactly "grass roots" apostolic successors either.

Roman Catholics pretend to based doctrine upon "improving" on the interpretation of the fathers, yet they distort and depart from the original interpretation.

You mean Paul? is there any other interpretation the Protestants know?

They have follow the heresy of Pelagius which the early church rightfully condemn yet claim they trace their roots back to Augustine.

So, does Augustine (or Paul) define Christianity?

They worship (venerate) the creature rather than the creator. They've changed the First Commandment in their text simply to avoid embarrassment at breaking it

Which creature? The "firstborn of all creation"? Well, worship and venerate is not one and the same. Kolo and others who understand koine Greek have told you that on numerous occasions, and the Church, in whose language the NT was written, steadfastly treated them as separate. I guess you know better.

It would almost be laughable if it wasn't such a pity. Yet we are reminded of the billions of Catholics around the world who interject pagan rituals into mass. And we are led to believe this is OK.

So, everything not Catholic is okay? last time I checked, Protestants are a lot more liberal and all-inclusive then Catholics or especially the Orthodox. Protestant "churches" have openly homosexual "married" men and openly lesbian and "married" women as "bishops", or "ordained" ministers.

They also in much larger proportion support abortion and "eye for an eye", amassing wealth and opulence, and tend to make ridiculous end of the world predictions based on their own "creature" of worship the whatever variety of the Protestant Bible they use.

Take the log out of your eye, Harley, and get some glasses.

82 posted on 05/26/2011 2:55:28 AM PDT by kosta50
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; HarleyD; Natural Law; MarkBsnr
kosta: Kolo, do you "reject" the Nicene Creed "and the blasphemous interpretation of Mary"?

:)

One stark difference between remaining true to tradition and not is shown by the Orthodox and Oriental Churches in lands under Moslem rule. Their dogma never wavered from the true faith because they "interpreted" new things. Rather they checked if the interpretation was what had been handed down from the Apostles through Holy Tradition.

In contrast, we have Harold Camping, the Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians all using Sola Scriptura to come up with their own interpretations outside tradition and hence they fail...

85 posted on 05/26/2011 3:16:16 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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"LOL! Kolo, do you "reject" the Nicene Creed "and the blasphemous interpretation of Mary"?"

Reject the Nicene Creed? The one we wrote? The first one? The one the Protestants rejected in favor of the Western innovation? No. As for the "blasphemous interpretation of Mary", well if Harley means that she is Panagia or the Most Holy Theotokos or that she was assumed bodily into heaven...no, I certainly don't reject those. That she intercedes for us before the throne of heaven? No. You of course know that I pray with great gusto, as my people have since the 5th century at the latest, "Υπεραγία Θεοτόκε σώσον ημάς" or for your people for nearly as long, "Пресвятая Богородице спаси нас!" And for the unfortunates unlettered in the Liturgical mother tongues, "Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!" :)

Here's a link to a pretty chant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHnzHDmdqrQ

Harley, my friend, you of all the Protestants know us better than that.

88 posted on 05/26/2011 4:27:49 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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Actually, there are a few that say:

  1. The OT was written only for the Jews. Ditto the Gospels, the Letter to the Hebrews, etc.
  2. There are also quite a few sola scriptura types who say that God wanted to make the Jews jealous hence the incarnation or that the baptism of Gentiles was an afterthought by God (afterthought -- more attempts to an anthropometric deity)
  3. And of course, the Arians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians etc. use sola scriptura to prove their point

89 posted on 05/26/2011 4:31:04 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: kosta50; Natural Law; daniel1212; Cronos; Kolokotronis; Notwithstanding; MarkBsnr; bronx2; Quix
Could you tell me which version of the Luke's Gospel...do you consider "inerrant and infallible"?

Why the one in my Bible.

LOL! Kolo, do you "reject" the Nicene Creed "and the blasphemous interpretation of Mary"?

When have the Orthodox accepted the filique of the Nicene Creed? When have the Orthodox accepted Mary as Co-Redepdix?

How many corrupt, homosexual, Jim Joneses, money manipulating, prostitute chasing, end of the world nuts do you have in the Protestant community to pretend to have the moral high ground form which to throw mud at others?

Um...not many. Most of them end up joining the Catholic Church.

They did to an extent, and the Protestants followed right along, and changed it one more time, so they are twice removed.

Well, there are many Protestants today who no longer follow the Reformed teaching, so I certainly can't fault that statement. They're nothing more than Catholic Lite.

The "firstborn of all creation"? Well, worship and venerate is not one and the same. Kolo and others who understand koine Greek have told you that on numerous occasions

I've been to the Holy Lands and seen how the Jews cringe whenever they past Orthodox and Catholic churches. You see, they seem to think there is a lot of idolatry in them. So while the Orthodox and Catholics may wish to go to great gyrations and SAY they are not REALLY bowing down to idols, that is not how others preceive it.

Protestants are a lot more liberal and all-inclusive then Catholics or especially the Orthodox. Protestant "churches" have openly homosexual "married" men and openly lesbian and "married" women as "bishops", or "ordained" ministers.

I don't know if I agree with this statement. I think this can be said for all churches. To their credit the Orthodox seem to draw the line.

114 posted on 05/26/2011 6:23:06 PM PDT by HarleyD
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