Posted on 05/22/2011 10:02:42 AM PDT by DaveMSmith
Last Judgment 28
V. THE LAST JUDGMENT IS TO BE WHERE ALL ARE TOGETHER, AND SO IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD, NOT ON EARTH
The general belief about the Last Judgment is that the Lord accompanied by angels will appear in glory in the clouds of heaven, and He will then raise up from their graves all who have ever lived from the beginning of creation, clothe their souls with a body, and, when they have been summoned to meet, judge them, sending those who have lived good lives to everlasting life or heaven, and those who lived wicked lives to everlasting death or hell.
The churches have taken this belief from the literal sense of the Word, and there was no possibility of removing it so long as it remained unknown that everything mentioned in the Word has a spiritual sense; and this sense is the real Word, the literal sense serving as its basis or foundation. Without this kind of literal sense the Word could not have been Divine, and have served both heaven and the world as a means of instruction on how to live and what to believe, and as a means of conjunction. So if anyone knows the spiritual things corresponding to natural things in the Word, he can know that the Lord's coming in the clouds of heaven does not mean His appearance there, but His appearance in the Word. The Lord is the Word, because He is Divine truth. The clouds of heaven in which He is to come are the literal sense of the Word, and the glory is its spiritual sense. The angels are heaven, from which He appears, and they are also the Lord as regards Divine truths.# This makes plain the meaning of these words, namely, that when the church comes to an end the Lord will open up the spiritual sense of the Word, and thus reveal Divine truth such as it is in itself. This will be a sign that the Last Judgment is at hand.
That there is a spiritual sense within each thing and expression in the Word, and what it is may be seen in the Arcana Coelestia. This book expounds in full detail the contents of Genesis and Exodus in accordance with their spiritual sense. Some selected passages dealing with the Word and its spiritual sense may be found in the small work About the White Horse described in Revelation.
# The Lord is the Word, because He is Divine truth in heaven (AC 2533, 2813, 2859, 2894, 3397, 3712). The Lord is the Word because the Word comes from Him and is about Him (AC 2859). It is about nothing but the Lord, especially in its inmost sense about the glorification of His Humanity, so that the Lord Himself is contained in it (AC 1873, 9357). The Lord's coming is His presence in the Word and the revelation of this (AC 3900, 4060). A cloud in the Word means the letter of the Word, or its literal meaning (AC 4060, 4391, 5922, 6343, 6752, 8106, 8781, 9430, 10551, 10574). Glory in the Word means Divine truth such as it is in heaven and in the spiritual sense (AC 4809, 5922, 8267, 8427, 9429, 10574). Angels in the Word mean Divine truths coming from the Lord, since angels are the means by which they are received, and they do not utter them of themselves but from the Lord (AC 1925, 2821, 3039, 4085, 4295, 4402, 6280, 8192, 8301). The trumpets and horns then blown by angels mean Divine truths in heaven and revealed from heaven (AC 8815, 8823, 8915).
your posts have been refuted before and shown to be basically conflations or utterly incorrect -- all flash and no content.
d12: No: "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21)"
It's pretty telling that you omitted the preceding verse, 2 Peter 1:20, which provides the context for your quote. It states: "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation". The verse you then cited, 2 Peter 1:21, simply establishes that it is not the men talking, but the Holy Spirit, providing the interpretations.
Since the Holy Spirit is inerrant. Since you are not willing to state that your interpretations are inerrant and infallible, only that is less so in comparison to "Rome" (as determined by little old fallible you) then you are admitting that in every dispute of interpretation and doctrine between and among Protestants is proof that at least one of them is not being guided by the Holy Spirit. Since there are literally thousands of differing Protestant Interpretations and doctrines, which is the "Golden Denomination" to which all others should heed.
The rest of your prattle was simply an overly wordy regurgitation of "yes, but not Rome". I get that the basis of a fringe Protestant's doctrine is established by its contrast with Catholic doctrine, and the greater the differences the better, but if you are not even going to be honest about Scripture and won't address legitimate questions with cogent answers I really can't see any reason to continue discussing this with you.
Count me in on that as well.
To what do we owe this stroke of good fortune?
Well, well, well! How interesting! What did he get the zot for? I was just in a conversation with him (if you can call it that) yesterday. He had a tendency to obfuscate and throw out straw dogs then get a little nasty.
A *little* nasty?
You are generous beyond measure.
Hmmmmmmmmm
Departed?
Really?
INDEED. My thought, too.
You are pinging and celebrating like that was a personal victory, but it might be premature. Bronx2 was around long enough to learn the anti-Catholic trick of reincarnation. I'll save my celebration for when you get zotted.
Besides, I would gladly trade five bronx2 zots for another week of Dr. Eck's absence.
I know, it was Alex Murphy. I cc'ed you on my response to him. More likely it was being rude and insulting while Catholic. We ample evidence of general rudeness that is tacitly endorsed by the mods if it is properly directed.
it might be premature. Bronx2 was around long enough to learn the anti-Catholic trick of reincarnation.
No doubt bronx2 will be missed. That's what spare ammo is for.
I'll save my celebration for when you get zotted.
Well it's your party, so you can cry if you want to.
I would gladly trade five bronx2 zots for another week of Dr. Eck's absence.
Are you placing an order for more zots?
Do you think you can deliver or is this just more Sola Subterfuge?
bronx2 was not banned for being rude and/or insulting.
In the absence of any real information you have expect the speculation and rumor mill to fill the vacuum.
It’s so good to be missed.
My quote was in affirmation of the statement,
“Do you deny that God chose otherwise ordinary men to record the infallible and inerrant written Word?,” which is Rome's position as well.
The only thing that is telling is the private interpretation of some Catholics in using it to disallow Protestant private interpretation. To my knowledge, it has never been infallibly interpreted as disallowing Scripture “being expounded by any one's private judgment or private spirit,” as one Catholic Bible interprets as forbidding, yet the subject is not how Scripture is understood, but how prophecy was written, that it was not a product of their own understanding, but was such as Peter describes in 1Pt. 1:10,11: “Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.” These men did not understand all of what they were writing, and 1Pt. 1:20 cannot be forbidding what the Bereans did.
“Since you are not willing to state that your interpretations are inerrant and infallible, only that is less so in comparison to "Rome”
Your private interpretation, or reading, of what i stated in total is deficient here, as is your attempt to express it. I believe can infallibly and inerrantly declare based upon what is clearly stated in the Scriptures that God is, and has communicated to certain souls mentioned in the Bible. And so may you and Rome, but which (Trent) even allows that believers can know, by “special revelation,” they are of the elect who will be saved. Talk about subjectivity! On the other end, I do not hold i can declare anything close to certainty as knowing the year of the Lord's return. And i certainly do not infallibly declare that i am and will be infallible and inerrantly whenever i speak on faith and morals to all within my house or the like.
You are admitting that in every dispute of interpretation and doctrine between and among Protestants is proof that at least one of them is not being guided by the Holy Spirit.
Here you have stated the obvious, which is just as true for Catholics. Do you realize that “most of what Catholics believe and practice today has never been stated infallibly.” (Robert Sungenis). And the great differences of opinions that do and can exist with Rome? Start with Genesis (old earth, young earth, etc.) You do have have core truths which require assent of faith, and evangelical type church have their core truths, most of which we both agree on.
Since there are literally thousands of differing Protestant Interpretations and doctrines, which is the "Golden Denomination" to which all others should heed.
The competition is close among some. Yet Rome, along with the Mormons and Watchtower Society and the like — which like Rome, look to an infallible interpreter and deny core salvific truths which Protestantism historically held, but which have a greater degree of unity than Rome — is not in the running.
Comprehensive doctrinal unity have ever been a goal not realized, but oneness begins with the Father and the Son being in each person, (Jn. 17:23 and what the institutionalized churches lack and born again disciples in evangelical denominations overall enjoy is an essential unity of the Spirit. Their religious life began with a a Scripture-based faith conversion and regeneration, resulting in a relationship-based religion in which denomination is overall not a primary identity, and thus they can the more easily go to another evangelical type church or gatherings with believers who likewise were converted. Abundant different interpretations also exist within Catholicism, and would be more apparent if commitment to doctrine purity was comparable to evangelicals, and the main difference is that they do not split into more than the 12 or so Catholic denominations, except to leave for Protestant churches, as their religion is much a church-based relationship, which fosters faith that she will see them to glory, due to her power.
The rest of your prattle was simply an overly wordy regurgitation of "yes, but not Rome".
Not simply, but more and substantively, but I shall leave that judgment to less hostile witnesses.
How do we know it's really you? There was the telltale odor of brimstone, but not a single rant about Rome, an alter Christus, an insult of Mary, or a and to flee?
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