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To: CynicalBear; Matchett-PI
Cronos: Where exactly is that in the Bible? This is never taught from scripture, yet parroted by many. While the Bible says that (Matt. 1:21 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins, Acts 4:12 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.) Jesus is the savior, but nowhere can one make the fallacious derivation of "personal relationship" -- where is that per sola scriptura?

And you reply back with proof that is NOT in the Bible -- I thought you were a Bible ALONE guy?

Where's the proof IN the Bible for your "God is my bosom buddy" kind of statement?

665 posted on 05/24/2011 11:33:47 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos; CynicalBear

You wrote to Cynical Bear: “Where’s the proof IN the Bible for your “God is my bosom buddy” kind of statement?”

I think fundamentalists (literalists that read the newspaper with one hand and the Bible with the other) would gain a lot if they spent some time reading books like this:

Social-Science Commentary on the Synoptic Gospels
Bruce J. Malina
http://www.amazon.com/Social-Science-Commentary-Synoptic-Gospels-Malina/dp/0800634918

Book reviewer Loren Rosson III
This review is from: Social-Science Commentary on the Synoptic Gospels (Paperback)

Bruce Malina and Richard Rohrbaugh are members of The Context Group: Project on the Bible in its Cultural Environment, and this commentary is one of the finest fruits of their labor. The authors shed light on subtle aspects of ancient Middle East culture which go completely over our heads when we read the bible.

The Context Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Context_Group

For instance, in ancient Palestine compliments were enviously aggressive. They implicitly accused a person of rising above others at their expense. Thus, when a man challenges Jesus by calling him a “good teacher”, Jesus must fend off the accusation with a counterquestion: “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone?” (Mk. 10:17-18/Mt. 19:16-17/Lk. 18:18-19). In Jesus’ world, honorable men didn’t defend themselves when challenged — for that would only concede ground to their opponents — instead, they counterattacked. In the gospels Jesus proves himself an honorable man time and time again. He never answers accusatory questions directly; he is always able to change the terms of a debate and shift its ground. In Mk. 11:27-33/Mt. 21:23-27/Lk. 20:1-8 a group of temple authorities confront Jesus and demand to know by what authority he made his prophetic demonstration in the temple. Jesus responds with a counterquestion and then ends up insulting them by refusing to reveal anything at all. Then, in Mk. 12:13-17/Mt. 22:15-22/Lk. 20:20-26, a group of Herodians and Pharisees try snaring Jesus by getting him to admit having revolutionary sentiments about paying taxes. Jesus deflects their question by having them produce a coin for him, and then, holding it up for all to see, he shames them with a nasty counterquestion and tricks them into identifying themselves as idolaters before concluding with his well-known cryptic saying, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s”. All of these examples show how honorable first-century Jews debated in public.

The authors illumine the values of Galilean peasants as distinct from Judean Pharisees and other temple authorities. Consider the conflict related in Mk. 7:1-25, where a group of Pharisees demand that Jesus explain why his disciples eat with unwashed hands. Jesus, naturally, doesn’t deign to explain this. Instead, he counterattacks with insults — calling the Pharisees hypocrites — and then escalates the conflict by showing them up with scripture citations, setting his own interpretation of the Torah against theirs. But the authors do provide an explanation: “Keeping purity laws was a near impossibility for peasant farmers, who did not have the required water for ritual baths, as well as for fishermen, who came in constant contact with dead fish, dead animals, and the like. It was also very difficult for people who traveled about, such as Jesus and his disciples. The religious tradition of the Galileans had adapted itself in significant measure to the realities of peasant life.”

The commentary brings to life ancient Mediterranean values as contrasted with ours in the modern West. For instance, discovering identity was not a process of self-discovery like it is with us. Identity was provided by one’s peers, not by oneself. When Jesus asks Peter, “Who do you say I am?”, and Peter replies, “You are the messiah” (Mk. 8:29), most of us today think that Jesus knows who he is and is simply testing his disciples to see if they know. But the authors correctly refute this: “Since Jesus rejected his own honor by leaving his family and village and living as an itinerant exorcist-healer, he needs to find out what his status is both among the public and his followers.” They provide him with his messianic identity. Only when public support has grown substantially will he finally be comfortable identifying himself as the messiah (as in Mk. 14:61-62). For now, he is terrified of the title, and he “sternly orders Peter not to tell anyone about it” (Mk. 8:30).

Malina and Rohrbaugh have described just about every behavioral cue and cultural script we could think of — how ancient gossip networks functioned, why all rich people were considered thieves, the nature of patron-client relationships, etc. This book is a priceless tool, and it has already been used as a foundation for more comprehensive treatments of the historical Jesus. Be sure to buy it and the sequel, “Social Science Commentary on the Gospel of John”.

This is an updated and improved version of the earlier ‘92 publication, with material re-arranged for easier reading, and new commentary as well.


696 posted on 05/24/2011 1:09:31 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I've studied prophecy 30 years" usually means "I have everything Hal Lindsay ever 'wrote'." ~ LNF)
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