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To: bronx2; one Lord one faith one baptism
Clearly, if the Son of God teaches that all tradition is to be judged by its conformity to the Scriptures, then tradition is subordinate to Scripture and Scripture is logically the ultimate authority.

In fact, Jesus has virtually nothing positive to say about tradition (cf. Matthew 4:4; 5:17-19; 15:2-9; 22:29-32).

I would point you even to early church fathers.

Cyril of Jerusalem (A.D. 315-386) is reflective of the overall view of the Fathers:

Concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures; nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee of these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures....In these articles we comprehend the whole doctrine of faith….For the articles of the Faith were not composed at the good pleasure of men, but the most important points chosen from all Scriptures, make up the one teaching of the Faith….This Faith, in a few words, hath enfolded in its bosom the whole knowledge of godliness contained both in the Old and New Testaments. Behold, therefore, brethren and hold the traditions (2 Thes. 2:15) which ye now receive, and write them on the table of your hearts....Now heed not any ingenious views of mine; else thou mayest be misled; but unless thou receive the witness of the prophets concerning each matter, believe not what is spoken; unless thou learn from Holy Scripture....receive not the witness of man.

I would suggest that today’s RCC has become an apostate church having strayed far from the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. The council of Trent and Vatican II were devastating to the original intent. One could even make the argument that it is the whore of Revelation.

449 posted on 05/22/2011 4:44:38 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

absolutely, Sacred Tradition must be in accord with Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Scriptures had to be in accord with Sacred Tradition in order for the Church to include the book in the canon. you don’t understand that they both have Divine Revelation in common, so together they make up the Word of God. The Thessalonians accepted this, not sure why you don’t.


453 posted on 05/22/2011 4:49:32 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: CynicalBear
What kind of illogical comment is "Jesus has virtually nothing positive to say about tradition". This cite in no way invalidates tradition and to state the opposite is a logical fallacy. You would do well to ponder 1 Cor 11:2 2Thes 2:15 and 2 Tim 1:13.

Just where does Jesus teach that all tradition is to be judged by its conformity to scripture? Remember that during His earthly ministry the Nt Bile had not been written unless camping declared otherwise. When Jesus or the apostles or early church fathers refer to scripture it is invariably the OT

Jesus left us the magisterium to interpret scripture and for 2000 years it has served as He intended while you have Camping . Some difference.

To read the early church fathers is to affirm the validity of the Catholic church. Cyril remarks in no way affirm the validity the Sola or SOLO scriptura nonsense unless you can find a reference where he is sneaking into a baptist or evangelical house of heresy.

It might be wise to stop reading the early church fathers lest you find yourself on the Road to Rome . Perhaps the Age of Miracles is not over.

465 posted on 05/22/2011 5:12:11 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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