GiovannaNicoletta wrote:
“Let’s see if you can take all the Scripture I gave you which are exclusively for the Jews and try to force them to apply to the Church.”
If I am intruding on a discussion that you would prefer remain between you and “One Lord one faith one baptism,” please indicate so, and I will simply drop out. If, however, that is not the case, could you please answer just one or two questions so that I can understand your argument?
1) A question regarding specifics: What do you mean when you say that certain parts of the Holy Scriptures (the majority, if I read you correctly) are “exclusively” for the Jews?
2) A question regarding the general: Are the Scriptures as a whole addressed chiefly to the Jews or to the whole of mankind?
Thank you in advance for your response. I am not trying to trap you, only to understand you. For at this point, I do not.
open forum, i invite all to jump in!!
Any Old Testament Scripture which applies to the Jews, such as what I've repeatedly posted on this thread, apply only to the Jewish people. Since the Church had not been established at that time, the Scriptures which obviously are meant for the Jewish people can apply to no other. Romans 11:1 is referring to the Jewish people.
A question regarding the general: Are the Scriptures as a whole addressed chiefly to the Jews or to the whole of mankind?
There are Scriptures which are specifically for the Jews an no one else. Salvation Scripture is for all of mankind.
Thank you in advance for your response. I am not trying to trap you, only to understand you. For at this point, I do not.
Thank you for your polite post. It's not hard to understand. It just takes an acceptance that God has different plans for His chosen people, the Jews, and for those who are grafted into and adopted into Christ's family, the Church. It just takes an acceptance that God has not thrown away His chosen people, but, as God puts it, "I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous", and "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,“THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.” “THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.” (Romans 11:11; Romans 11: 25-27)
That is all that is required to understand. That while God has taken for Himself a people from among the Gentiles, Scripture is inarguable that God is not finished with the Jews, and has not thrown them to the side in favor of the Church. The Church and Israel are two separate entities with two separate purposes in the economy of God.