Posted on 05/20/2011 5:24:45 PM PDT by bibletruth
In my humble opinion, this is a religion forum so anyone believing whatever should have the freedom to talk about what they believe. It is sharing and we respect that.
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Everything is couched in THEIR interpretation. It them not Christ
It is it shame of acknowledging belief in Jesus which causes hesitation
Let us explore in detail you religious beliefs.
Do you believe in God?
Is the the Father Almighty?
Is He the Creator of heaven and earth?
Just a few for starters
It also gives everyone a chance to explain why they believe what they believe.
Do you consider yourself a traitor to Judaism and are you aware that Israel will not include your type in the Return policy?
Perhaps with the SDA headquarters just over the Brooklyn Bridge you could explore that fertile region /
You could read All Salvation is from the Jews by Roy Schoeman which details his conversion from Judaism to Christianity. A very inspiring tome. Must run have a blessed day
“The question is — in your studies/opinions/views is Jesus God or just the first created being? why?”
In the Bible at Rev. 3:14 Jesus calls himself the “beginning of creation by God”, a creature, a created being.
Now I will ask you a question.
Who did Jesus say was his God?
And I have always been very specific in that I speak only for myself.
Anyone who wants to know what Jehovah’s Witnesses or Catholics or Samaritans believe can go to their web sites and find the answer.
LOL. It appears to me that you see error where none exists and read truth into nonsense. Watching anti-Catholics manipulate history and Scripture to fit their preclusions is like watching an exercise in cloud reading.
In particular, your posts are so poorly written that I would have to make too many assumptions about what I think you are trying to say, and frankly, I find the prospects of mind reading as distasteful and as inappropriate as a Ouija board when discussing Christianity with an anti-Catholic.
What it ALWAYS looks like to me is that both sides take up a POSSIBLE, or even a LIKELY, but by NO means a certain, interpretation of a verse or collection of verses and present this interpretation as certain, as the only one.
It leaves me FEELING (not thinking) like the Bible is just a huge verbal Rorschach test.
This will seem like a reach to one of you and perfectly reasonable to the other, and I don't know how -- if I confine myself to Scripture -- I can rule one way or the other:
I could say that Grant, or appointing Grant, was the beginning of successful warfare against the the Confederacy.
Grant himself is not warfare. Appointing him is in one way warfare -- warfare as practiced by Commanders in Chief -- but in another way it is legislation and the work of an executive.
Similarly, as a Trinitarian (who does NOT believe in three gods, by the way -- such a characterization indicates a misunderstanding of what we teach) and someone who subscribes to the Chalcedonian Definition, I have no trouble,in fact my teaching virtually says this, with the idea the the Son joins in one Person the 'nature' of God the creator and man the creature.
So, standing back and putting my judicial robe on, I can see the reasonableness of the "orthodox" interpretation and can understand this verse hand-in-hand with the numerous verses in John which SEEM to assert an identity between Jesus and God.
BUT I also can see a certain consistency in the Witnesses claim that those verse COULD be interpreted as saying a unity of purpose. To me that seems a reach, but not that great a reach.
So, for me, I have finally to reach outside of Scripture to find someone to show me how to read it.
It is that sort of thinking, FWIW, that leads me to say there must be something like a Magisterium.
And in fact, I think the Witnesses have a something that serves the magisterial and even the inquisitorial function.
It is as clear as his lack of facial hair.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Ought to be easy for you then...What is the central doctrine of the Bible???
I didn't know Camping was a Catholic...
The bride of Christ is the Church, therefore, the New Jerusalem is the Church in heaven after Christ’s return.
Always Jesus is in the subservient position.
“What it ALWAYS looks like to me is that both sides take up a POSSIBLE, or even a LIKELY, but by NO means a certain, interpretation of a verse or collection of verses and present this interpretation as certain, as the only one”
If we going believe anything we have to some criteria for that belief. As Elijah said, ‘How long will you hop or limp along between two opinions, choose!’ (1 Kings 18:21)
The Father, of course.
"I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God" [John 20:17)
But the Church will say he was speaking in his humanity, as a 100% human, God the Father would be his God and Father just as he would be to his disciples. But not in his divinity. Don't forget, that same Gospel of John also quotes Jesus as saying he is "I AM". So how do the JH, and you, reconcile this?
But you don't deny when Cronos says that you are JH.
I also have never denied anything about my age, geographic location, profession, children, etc. and have tried mightily not to reveal any of those personal things. I hope I've achieved some success in my efforts.
In case it's been missed somehow anonymous screen names means others will have to deal with the person on the basis of comments posted and nothing else. In other words, stick to the issue at hand.
What others choose to do is their affair.
Jesus came to us as a human and it was as a human that He was sacrificed for our sins.
“Though he was in the form of God, [Jesus] did not regard equality with God something to be grasped. Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness; and found human in appearance, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross” (Phil 2:6-8).
Jesus, God, did not cease to exist.
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