Posted on 05/13/2011 8:27:14 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican told Catholic bishops around the world on Friday they had to obey a papal order allowing priests to say the old-style Latin mass for traditionalist Catholics, whether they liked it or not.
The Vatican issued an "instruction" to bishops as a follow-up to a 2007 papal decree authorizing the wider adoption of the Latin Mass, which was in universal use before the 1962-1965 Vatican Council introduced masses in local languages.
...The five-page instruction from the Vatican's doctrinal department, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, made it clear that the pope wants bishops to follow his orders.
...While couched in polite, institutional language, the instruction said local parishes had to insert a Latin mass into their liturgical schedules if tradionalist faithful wanted it.
...A Vatican official said recently that only a third of the world's bishops responded to a Vatican questionnaire and that prejudice against the old mass was "still widespread."
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The significant difference between any living language and English and Latin is that the living languages continue to evolve and introduce variation and error into contemporaneous interpretations, whereas Latin is dead. There will always need to be updates and re-translations of Scripture into modern languages to ensure their continued fidelity. Latin, on the other hand is set in stone, it's meanings are fixed and therefore timeless. That is why it also remains the language of science and law.
>>Latin mass without translation is speaking in tongues and strictly FORBIDDEN. <<
What a strange statement.
So if I attend the Slovak Mass at my parish or the Polish Mass across the street, when I speak neither language, is that speaking in tongues?
If you attend a Latin Mass with my 11-year-old who has studied Latin for three years and understands every bit of it, is that speaking in tongues?
Maybe it’s just that YOU personally don’t understand it. Since the Catholic Church has moved to the vernacular, the study of Latin has fallen by the wayside. My Grandmother, who never made it past the 8th grade, understood Latin. The problem is not the Latin but rather those who do not study it.
>>Were the ten commandments written in Latin on those stone tablets?<<
How do you know that they weren’t? Did you see them?
You limit God. How do you know that when you looked at the tablets, they were not in YOUR language? God has that power.
The earliest evidence of Hebrew as a written language dates to only the 10th century BC, about 400-500 years after the Exodus. Since Moses was an educated Egyptian it is just as likely that the tablets were written in Egyptian hieroglyphs as any of the earlier Semantic scripts.
That should be "Semitic" scripts....darned autocorrect!
you are correct
Keep in mind that the Catholic Mass, other than the homily which is not in Latin, is not intended to be an educational exercise like most Protestant services. It is a worship service which reaches its apex with the Real Presence of Christ. Performing essentially the same service in the same language as all other Catholics worldwide and throughout the ages reinforces the concept of the Communion of Saints.
The Holy Spirit provides. Rather than babbling incoherently, the gift of tongues is the ability to communicate and explain Scripture in a language the recipient understands. Many Christians of all denominations share this gift, sometimes unknowingly.
“Latin mass without translation is speaking in tongues and strictly FORBIDDEN.”
That was your initial post.
On what authority doest thou speaketh?
According to whom?
Shall we assume that you are completely out of your mind? Or shall we assume that you are simply uninformed?
The first language of the Church is Greek; the second is Latin and the third is Church Slavonic. English is not an official Church language, and while there are those who believe that if English was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for the rest of us, the fact still remains that English is NOT a Church language. Your post is speaking in tongues, and is strictly FORBIDDEN.
I’m done with this thread, but “the church”? What does that mean to you? “The Catholic Church? His church is the “people”, “the saints” (not Catholic saints, but “saved” people. We are all saints), NOT the building, Not the “religion”.
What Our Lord Jesus built up with fishermen and tax collectors and the like during His ministry on earth.
The Catholic Church? His church is the people, the saints (not Catholic saints, but saved people. We are all saints)
Who is 'we'? Do you even have a clue as to what Catholic saints are?
NOT the building, Not the religion.
That is the mantra of every false prophet that saw the Faith as a means to personal prosperity.
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