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To: Cronos
Out of context? Hardly

Yes, fully out of context to apply relational faith to demons! Faith is a personal living trust. The context of your earlier usage of this was to imply that the faith demons have is "incomplete" -- as if the "faith" they have would be fine if only they would "flesh it out" with whatever 1-2-3 spiritual checklist you would like to add to "faith."

— James points out that it is not faith ALONE that saves us but it is God’s grace that saves us.

"Grace" = "gift"...and "faith" is one of God's gifts.

17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. 18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. (James 1:17-18)

Even demons have “faith” in God’s power and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but they are not saved.

Because it was not personally applied, but in fact was rejected long ago. Sorry, but Demons aren't your "poster boys" for incomplete faith -- as if they were prime-time reps of your "faith alone" crowd. They are actually your poster entities for being faithless...having substituted a false god (Lucifer) long ago!

Before Judas ever betrayed Jesus with bad deeds, he did so relationally that already pitted him vs. Jesus at the time of the Last Supper!

You somehow keep thinking that you can define "faith" outside a context of personal trust!

280 posted on 05/09/2011 11:28:16 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
colofornian: Faith is a personal living trust -- biblical proof for your statement?

And give me Biblical proof that we are not saved by Grace ALONE but by your idea of ONLY faith.

We are saved by the freely given grace of God. Jesus Himself told us that we must repent, believe, be baptised, share in His body and endure to the end. If you wish to deny what Jesus said, then God help you


281 posted on 05/10/2011 12:00:25 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Colofornian
James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
282 posted on 05/10/2011 12:02:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Colofornian
James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

This is utter proof that we are saved by GRACE alone, not by faith ALONE -- demons believe. you cannot say that this is just personally applied because then you have to reject 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? and 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds as James someone saying good for not "personally applying". You would then have to deny v 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. -- do you think James is saying the Abraham had incomplete or not "personally applied" faith?

No, what James is saying is that we are not saved by just saying Lord, Lord -- we must repent, believe, be baptised etc. --> it is not faith ALONE -- Jesus's own words deny that. If you wish to disagree with Jesus's words, that's your choice.

283 posted on 05/10/2011 12:08:54 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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