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To: lastchance
13 is a teen. Is that OK? Since you brought up family, what would you do if a Priest was caught with his pants down with you 13 year old? Shrug and say It's just ephebephilia.

And let's not forget, this isn't a homosexual issue. Plenty of girls were molested by Priests too.

167 posted on 05/03/2011 6:57:21 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

Gamecock,

I was careful in my reply to state I did not think the example Judith Ann gave was the case in clergy sex abuse cases. I don’t believe those victims were street wise teenagers who exploit adults in order to survive.


168 posted on 05/03/2011 7:00:56 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Gamecock; Judith Anne

Judith Anne - Teens. If you call teens “children” then I guess so. Have you ever heard of ephebephilia?
You can hammer that all day long if you want. I cannot tell everything I know, but I can say there are teens who don’t care who they have sex with, who exploit sick, perverted adults for power, money, and drugs, just as they exploit others younger than they are for power and sex.
You likely have no familiarity with the ugly homosexual subculture. I have a fair amount of experience with these people as a nurse on psych and as AIDS patients. And talk to some people in law enforcement to get a fuller picture.

Judith Anne - Please. Ephebophiles. TEENS. It’s not a foolish argument, it’s reality. If you’re going to bash the Church, do so from a position of REALITY. In case you’ve forgotten, we send CHILDREN (young adults) into war.

A definition: (From wikipedia, but it’s accurate)
Because most late adolescents have physical characteristics near (or in other cases, identical) to that of full-grown adults, some level of sexual attraction to persons in the age group is common among adults of all sexual orientations.[6] The term ephebophilia is used only to describe the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction. Such a distinct preference for individuals in mid or late adolescence is not generally regarded by psychologists as a pathology when it does not interfere with other major areas of one’s life. Ephebophilia is not listed by name as a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR), or the ICD-10, nor is it listed as a paraphilia. This is as opposed to pedophilia, which is categorized as a specific disorder in those systems with its own diagnostic criteria. However, ephebophilia can sometimes be diagnosed as a disorder if it results in dysfunction or exploitative behavior, either under the DSM specification 309.2, “Paraphilia Not Otherwise Specified”, or under the ICD-10 F65.8 “Other disorders of sexual preference”.[14][15]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2495846/posts?page=62#62

It appears that Judith Anne, a Psych RN, was trying to have an intellectual discussion but...whoosh, it went right over the empty craniums.

And you posted the picture for...?


170 posted on 05/03/2011 7:06:50 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Gamecock

Since you have habit of cherry picking let me re post what I wrote in regards to clergy who abused teens.

“Writing there are teenagers who have exploited sickos is not blaming child victims of sexual abuse. Does that apply to victims of clergy abuse? I do not believe so at all.”

I would view the case of a 13 year old altar boy who had trusted a priest as friend and mentor only to be preyed upon and abused by that priest quite differently than a 16 year old street kid who engaged in homosexual behavior in order to score drugs. The former is cleary a victim of a predator. The latter the roles of prey and predator often cross and are hard to distinguish.


172 posted on 05/03/2011 7:07:19 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Gamecock

I think you are confusing Judith Ann’s post with my reply. I did not mention family she did.


173 posted on 05/03/2011 7:08:50 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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