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While the constitution allows for complete freedom of religion for all inhabitants of the imperial domains, not all religions are equal in the eyes of the state. Subjects are those people who do not belong to Recognized Churches; they are divided into those with religion (Moral Theists) and those without it (Heathens), both groups are free to practice their belief systems in privacy and without interference from imperial authorities. Moral Theists may vote for and hold the office of Tribune of Subjects, an officer who represents them in the Senate. Both Moral Theists and Heathens are barred from all other elections and elected offices, the military officer corps, teaching positions at government schools and the practice of law.

Those Without Religion (Heathens)

Those Apathetic to Religion Those With Religion (Moral Theists) Citizens

Citizens are those people who belong to Recognized Churches; the constitution recognizes two classes of citizens: plebeians and patricians. Though all inhabitants of the imperial domains stand equal before the law, the extent to which one can participate in political life is determined partly by one’s social standing. Citizens, however, possess rights that Subjects do not: these include the freedom of assembly, the right to imperial petition, freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Children born to Citizen Families attain citizenship with a proclamation of faith and featly on their 18th birthday in the presence of the County Magistrate; those who decline to make this statement are demoted to Heathen Status.

....Only state-recognized churches receive tax-free status; by requiring 10 million members for this I hope to force the myriad of independent Protestant churches to combine into larger organizations with a more strict emphasis on doctrinal orthodoxy. Catholics of course get preeminent status in the government. As you can see, people may lose their citizen status or office should they be found guilty of manifest public sin.

1 posted on 05/03/2011 12:17:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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2 posted on 05/03/2011 12:21:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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Recognized Churches: NO THANKS. It is doubtly the early Church under Rome (the Empire, nor Chicom today-and many others) hold such beliefs!

J.S.


3 posted on 05/03/2011 12:22:49 PM PDT by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Allow me to let you in on a little secret, Alex: there’s no shortage of goofballs on the Internet, and finding the ravings of a goofball and posting them isn’t really much of an achievement.


4 posted on 05/03/2011 12:28:53 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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"How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans"

Yeah Alex, I know. It really sucks to be...What class do you fall into? Heathen is it?

6 posted on 05/03/2011 12:30:54 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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One can certainly find magisterial documents of various weight and importance showing a preference for monarchies with an established Catholic Church, but those should also be balanced by the following magisterial document of the Vatican II Ecumenical Council, the “Declaration on Religious Liberty”:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html


16 posted on 05/03/2011 12:54:13 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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This whole idea is total BS, and anyone who calls for it should be jailed for sedition at best.

(And I’m a Catholic!)


22 posted on 05/03/2011 1:06:47 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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ROTFLMAO

I don't know who is worse, the dolts who sit in their parents basements advocating this kind of thing or those who take it seriously enough to think we need to be warned about it. I mean, come on, a monarchy of any sort?

I guess some people can't focus on deep thoughts like "The Bestselling Rapture Doctrine", the "Self-Election to Perfection Doctrine", or the "New Age Is The Rage Doctrine", when they think someone, in a basement somewhere, might be plotting to make them shovel out the the stables and scrub the wooden floors of the castle.

Geez, these peasants, they always have to have something to be terrified of. /wink

25 posted on 05/03/2011 1:08:56 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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How do you stop a Polish army on horseback?

Answer: Turn off the carousel.


37 posted on 05/03/2011 1:44:47 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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As a fan of Roman History this seems to be a handy description of most of the officials in the later Roman Empire in the late fourth century AD, with enough changes as to be not useful as an accurate account of the Imperial Constitution of that period. Other than that I do not see its relevance to anything. Perhaps you can next post a thread about changes in insect life in Australia in the first millennium AD.
55 posted on 05/03/2011 2:37:45 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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The horror! If this happens, I will eat a hat of your choosing. If not (in say, ten years), you must eat any UFO I manage to dig up outside of Roswell.


106 posted on 05/03/2011 3:39:17 PM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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“What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.” — James Madison


114 posted on 05/03/2011 3:49:38 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Alex Murphy; Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; ...
Samuel F.B. Morse, is that you?

From Samuel Morse Demonstrates First Telegraph: Morse Also Achieved Fame As Painter and Politician

"In the 1830s, he [Morse] expressed his anti-Catholic prejudices in a series of newspaper articles under the pen name Brutus. He accused the monarchies of Europe of enlisting the aid of the Catholic Church to subvert American democracy by sending Catholic immigrants to take over the American West....Morse's articles, which were republished in 1835 as a book, Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States....In his book, Morse wrote: 'Surely American Protestants, freemen, have discernment enough to discover beneath them the cloven foot of this subtle foreign heresy. They will see that Popery is now, what it has ever been, a system of the darkest political intrigue and despotism, cloaking itself to avoid attack under the sacred name of religion. They will be deeply impressed with the truth, that Popery is a political as well as a religious system; that in this respect it differs totally from all other sects, from all other forms of religion in the country.
And to think, several years ago, I was handed a photocopied version of Morse's book outside Union Station in Washington, DC.
124 posted on 05/03/2011 4:11:05 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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Alex, I know I'm one of the premier anti-Catholics on this forum (and I very much agreed with your assessment of Verdugo on the thread in which I lamented his banning), but I seriously hope you don't consider a Catholic monarchy to be an actual possibility. How could anyone possibly fear such a thing? It makes about as much sense as the Seventh Day Adventists and their perpetual fears of a "national sunday law."

Furthermore, although I certainly believe Catholicism is mistaken, I'm not sure that a Catholic monarchy wouldn't be an improvement over the current situation (provided they didn't force their evolutionism and higher criticism on the rest of us!). I'm sure there are far worse situations than being a religious minority in a country officially committed to another religion. All our human governments are temporary things anyway, pending the arrival of Mashiach and the establishment of the Kingdom of G-d on earth.

And yes, I'm still very much a Noachide who believes all non-Jews are bound individually and collectively by the Noachide Laws.

With all the terrible things going on right now, a Catholic monarchy is the last thing I'm worried about.

129 posted on 05/03/2011 4:26:14 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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