"Well, it appears science has faltered once again in the face of overwhelming religious evidence."
Just keep repeating your original claim and say "the burden has shifted"
Posted on 04/24/2011 4:42:57 AM PDT by Scanian
ike it has so many times in its long, tortured history, the Shroud of Turin is again, this Easter 2011, resurrected. I don’t use resurrected lightly. If authentic, the ancient linen cloth with mysterious images of a crucified and tortured corpse on its fibers is tangible proof to many Christians of Jesus’ rise from the dead. And while authenticity is certainly still in debate, the burden of proof now — at least on the Shroud’s inexplicableness — has shifted to the doubters.
The 14-foot-long shroud can be traced to at least 1354, when it appeared in a church in Lirey, France. The family of a Crusader began exhibiting it then, according to documents, as the Shroud of Christ brought back from the Holy Land. The images of a crucified, long-haired man on its surface were, and are, not well defined, more smudgy than lifelike. But locals, believing they were miraculously made, paid homage, as the cloth made its way by bequeath and acquisition to Turin in 1578, where it lies today, formerly owned by the Italian monarchy, now the Catholic Church.
But it wasn’t until 1898, and the first photographs of the linen were taken, that real controversy began. Details not clear on the cloth’s images were, in the negative plate, vivid and real. The face, which had looked wide-eyed and owl-like, was serene with eyes closed. It was realized that what was on the cloth’s surface was itself like a photographic negative — lights and darks were reversed.
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How so ?
I’m reminded of the old hymn, “You ask me how I know he lives........ He LIVES within my heart.” The Shroud isn’t proof its an interesting artifact. The proof is in the power of possession.
I have reserved the rights to write a book about the Shroud and mankind’s arrogance. It takes place in the future where decadence reigns supreme and an all-powerful world government dominates everyday life.
In their arrogance and desire to destroy what remains of Christianity, the government gets a team of atheist scientists to clone Jesus by using DNA found on the Shroud.
These atheists hope to show that Jesus is just an ordinary man and not the Son of God.
But the man who is born from the cloning turns out to be anything but an ordinary man and most definately is not the Son of God.
Mankind creates the anti-Christ.
Right on, bro. True faith does not need an object to believe. The flesh and fallen man’s unbelief always craves an object. The bible calls them idols.
And the worst idols are those that have legitimacy. God told Moses to make a serpent to lift up, that the Israelites who looked on it (faith) might be healed and forgiven. It was a picture of the coming cross of Christ.
Later the Israelites made it an idol, and worshiped it - the object - and missed the One to whom it pointed.
This is ever the case with man.
True faith simply believes what God has spoken.
“I do believe, Lord. Help Thou my unbelief.”
I was watching a History channel show on this. They were saying the image on the Shroud is 3-d. Encoded in 3-d, not something applied to the surface. And it is the only such image of that type on an artifact in the world. Which makes it unique.
As to how that image got on there, if it is some type of forgery, begs the question: Who would have the knowledge and technique to do it so long ago?
Maybe the builders of Gobekli Tepe would know.
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Me also. Odd how the image turned out to look almost exactly like almost every other representation of Christ, down to the traditional placement of the wounds on the hands.
Did you catch how angry one of the scientists became when he described the condition of the body he had revealed?
For those who did not see this episode of “History”, they kept prattling on about how the image one sees, is not the real image but a data set for those who can decode it.
They also “conclusively” proved that the image was created by a scanning laser, similar to one found in many printers. Who ever did it scanned the body from the outside, fixing the form on the cloth.
However, the “scientists” while claiming the Christ converted to pure light in the tomb - thus creating the image to be found by those who understand, made their proof by scanning a model from the outside - the direct opposite of what had to happen if their light conversion theory was correct.
Easter 2011, Jesus resurrection, Wisdom of God, Message to doubting Thomases
“Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”…First Corinthians 1:25
What I am about to present is intended primarily for the Doubting Thomases out there. First some observations. Jesus was born in the Middle East. His skin color, neither lilly white or black, was average. He was born into a lowly existence and therefore could speak to everyone regardless of status. His message is simple and true. I can find no fault with it. He was crucified. No other method of death would have gotten the attention of humans. If that is not enough for you, I have studied the Shroud of Turin for years. I believe that it is real.
You need to get out more.
Bump.
Me too - I never did give the shroud much credence but the more people try and disprove it the more it confounds them - the History Channel has done a couple of good programs on the shroud. The information contained therein overcame my questions and objections. It doesn’t make any difference to my level of faith in God but it certainly is amazing!
Mel
There is NO DOUBT in my mind that it is real. That the image on the shroud was made when Christ was resurrected.
Do I NEED this to believe in Him? Absolutely not. It is very fascinating none the less.
I think that has already been written. I read an annotation of that a few years ago, but I can’t remember the title.
Not really as the copies of the shroud demonstrate. It's right out there with the house where Mary was born, a house supposedly carried by angels from the Mideast to Italy, with stops along the way.
Believers in the Shroud would like to put the burden on doubters since they have no proof and can produce none, to prove their contentions.
"Well, it appears science has faltered once again in the face of overwhelming religious evidence."
Just keep repeating your original claim and say "the burden has shifted"
So what?
I don't mean to be insulting, but what does it really matter?
And no amount of testing can prove how the image came to be present on the shroud. Scientists have NEVER been able to determine the nature of the process.
Quite remarkable when you think about it.
Was the Mandylion a folded version of the shroud, folded to expose the facial imprint area—or was the Mandylion the biblically referenced head piece folded and set aside in the empty tomb?
Both the Shroud and the Mandylion have the conspicuously similar image—as if laid one upon the other-—and which appears copied in so much religious art of the era.
It matters, because it is an astonishing anomaly and gives us tantalizing clues to the true nature of our reality ( souls/energetic forms/whatever you like)also backing up Jesus’s claims to the spiritual realm/Kingdom.
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