another inane posting by you....ok, lets see...papa pope is still there, he is the bishop of Rome and as such, the titular head of a huge organization called the Catholic Church....no big deal, an elected position.The Vatican didn't make up Mary....she was created by God and historically was the mother of Jesus. The church fathers transcribed, interpreted, translated, copied and SAVED the bible for you to read....thank God for them....and they wrote it by hand!!!
My friend, you are battling against the very identity of those who oppose the Church. The Church Fathers are objects of ridicule to them, except when an out of context snippet may be used offhandedly to support some crazy belief that they are trying to put over on Christians as Gospel belief. Paul spent a lot of time warning about those who oppose and use the Church for their own ends.
2 Thessalonians 2: 1 1 We ask you, brothers, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling with him, 2 not to be shaken out of your minds suddenly, or to be alarmed either by a "spirit," 2 or by an oral statement, or by a letter allegedly from us to the effect that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For unless the apostasy comes first and the lawless one is revealed, 3 the one doomed to perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god and object of worship, so as to seat himself in the temple of God, 4 claiming that he is a god-- 5 do you not recall that while I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, 5 that he may be revealed in his time.
We see the heralds of the evil one. They are everywhere, and like to cluster on the end times discussions, as if they have Gnostic knowledge of when the Lord will come again. Paul warns us of their deceit.