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To: fishtank
Yes, Mary the Mother of Jesus needed a SAVIOUR. And she has a SAVIOUR.

Correct.

She was not sinless.

Incorrect.

For a description of why, step back from the modern American congregationalist approach, which is utterly adrift on a sea of individualism and subjectivity and try to reconnect with early Christian thought.

Check out the Church Fathers. What I've posted above is simply a few snippets. There are many other treatises on this subject. Worth a read.

20 posted on 04/14/2011 10:19:17 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

I would bring up the point that the Bible itself answers the question.

Mary herself admitted in Luke she needed a savior. Further no one (including Mary) comes to the Father but through Jesus Christ.

For ALL (including Mary) have fallen short of the glory of God.

Only Christ lived a perfect, sinless life - which is why when we believe in Him (alone) his perfect obedient life is imputed to us as righteousness. There is no other person that lived a perfect sinless life. And if there was, there would be another name under heaven we could believe in to be saved.

The prphecies in the Bible regarding ‘the seed of the woman’ from Genesis on, never said the woman would be sinless and live a sinless, perfect life. It said she would be a virgin. Meaning the birth of the savior would be a miracle God brings about supernaturally.

Genesis never says this. Isaiah never says the virgin is sinless and lives a perfect life. None of the New Testament every shows Mary in a light that she was also sinless and was living a perfect sinless life. The fact she and Joseph were angry at the young Jesus forbeing in the temple for days without them knowing it, shows Mary was not perfect and sinless - she would have not been angry at Jesus because she would have known exactly where he was because she would have been sinless and perfect and understood this being that way.

I love the real, biblical Mary. Not the artificially enhanced because man think it must be so, even though the bible doesn’t say it, Mary.


28 posted on 04/14/2011 10:49:51 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: marshmallow
Mary was sinless? Are you really going to spout something as blasphemous as this, knowing that I'm about to break out the book of Romans on your Roman Catholic butt? You can stack all of the dead Roman Catholics you want up in support of your idea, I'm going to continue to trump you with direct Scripture quotes and we both know that Scripture, as the inspired Word of God, trumps tradition.

Rom 3:23 KJV - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12 KJV - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Now, we know that God, speaking through His servant Paul, cannot err, you are caught in your own heresy. Repent and reject this evil, as it is in direct contradiction of Scripture.

42 posted on 04/14/2011 11:06:32 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: marshmallow

“Check out the Church Fathers.”

I did that for years.

and years.

and years.

I checked out the original writings of St. Peter and of the Lord Jesus Himself.

They differ with the ECFs, by the way.


258 posted on 04/15/2011 6:21:15 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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