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To: Cronos; SumProVita
re: SPV -- we have a "traditional Catholic" poster who doesn't know that the Catholic Church has 22 rites (Maronite, Syro-Malabar etc.), who calls the Church the RCC, who doesn't know some of the basics of the Faith that a Catholic would know and that are not easily researched quickly with google.

These are all false accusations from a person that is an Eastern Orthodox,in other words, he is not Catholic. Moreover, he has no knowledge of the faith, which anyone can see by looking at his history of posting.

I responded to this "Catholic Church has 22 rites" mix up, by saying that this is elementary material. The problem was that the Eastern Orthodox were using the title of catholic as to include themselves.

Now, regarding the " who calls the Church the RCC",

This is at the heart of the perpetual pursuit of me, by this Cronos. I used a title of the Catholic Church, that makes it impossible for the FR Eastern Orthodox like Cronos to hide behind their use of catholic to include themselves, as if they were Catholic. The title comes from Vatican I and is a legitimate title for the Catholic Church. I quoted Pius XII using it. I could have just as easily quoted just about anyone using it, though it's not much used in the English language countries, here's what I wrote exactly:

NOTICE HOW ALL THE FALSE CATHOLICS, THE SCHISMATIC EASTERN ORTHODOX, ALL CAME OUT OF THE DARKNESS WITH MY POSTING # 59.

This is perfect proof of why Catholics have to PROUDLY use their entire TITLE, it can't be counterfeited by non-Catholics!

From: Mystici Corporis Christi, by Pope Pius XII (and the first Vatican Council):

The true Church of Jesus Christ is the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church

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Dear, Kosta 50; The_Reader_David;Kolokotronos; Cronos;ArrogantBustard,

Have the honesty to find a title for your national churches that does not hide behind what the WORLD has always identified as the Catholic Church, or a Catholic.

The Russian Orthodox represent like 64% of the total of all (the 10 separate national churches which are identified as the) the Eastern Orthodox. The Russian Orthodox are one religion that can really call itself united, and they are just 85 million people. A religion of 85 million does not dictate and re-define what THE WORLD has always called Catholic, and Catholic Church, a religion of 1100 million!

Have the intellectual honesty to find yourselves a proper title.

God Bless

85 posted on 04/15/2011 6:47:01 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: verdugo; Cronos
These are all false accusations from a person that is an Eastern Orthodox,in other words, he is not Catholic.

Are you saying Cronos is not Catholic?

88 posted on 04/15/2011 7:02:51 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: verdugo; kosta50; Kolokotronis; The_Reader_David; Cronos; ArrogantBustard

Verdugo, if you are going to address people like you did in post 85, it helps to ping them to your post. Otherwise, they probably won’t see you post to them.

Also, if I’m not mistaken, out of the five people you identified as Orthodox, only two of them are currently practicing Orthodox Christians.

Also, it is Lent. Why do you feel the need to say things that could lead to more argument on the religion forum?


106 posted on 04/15/2011 9:39:29 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: verdugo
I find it odd the you suggest yielding to the world the judgment as to where Christ's Church inheres. Our Lord reminded us that the world hates Him, and thus will hate His followers. It seems likely then that the world might seek to mislead those trying to follow Him whom the world hates.

Of course, perhaps by "world" you mean "Western Europe", not "κόσμος". It seems to me that in more easterly parts the phrase "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" has always referred to what is now commonly called "the Orthodox Church".

If you chose to reply, I will not, at least not until after the Great and Holy Pascha.

May you have a blessed Feast of the Resurrection, however you keep it.

127 posted on 04/15/2011 5:43:53 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: verdugo
The Russian Orthodox represent like 64% of the total of all (the 10 separate national churches which are identified as the) the Eastern Orthodox. The Russian Orthodox are one religion that can really call itself united, and they are just 85 million people. A religion of 85 million does not dictate and re-define what THE WORLD has always called Catholic, and Catholic Church, a religion of 1100 million!

I don't care about what the world calls the Church. I care about what the Church calls the Church. And your screeds don't match.

138 posted on 04/16/2011 6:47:53 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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