[presently no screen name]

Ah, the old, "If you were in the Spirit you'd agree with me," line. '

With me? It's not about me. If you were in the Spirit you'd agree with God's Holy Spirit Inspired Word is The Final Authority.

Since you admit that I didn't say that, why do you bring it up?

Get it right. Don't do the liberal spin. You took my words and applied them to yourself and then said you never said them. NO ONE SAID YOU DID!! Why did I bring it up? Why did you accuse me saying you said something when I NEVER SAID YOU DID?

Devotion to Mary is idolatry. And all the spinning in the world isn't going to change that.

Yes, that could explain a lot. I'm not so sure I have trouble with things that come from the Spirit, though some are still mighty fuzzy to me.

God's Word is spiritually discerned and devotion to Mary is idolatry and should come in loud and clear. If it's fuzzy, it could be you don't want to hear it. His Word is not silent on who He says His mother, brother and sister are. God is no respecter of person while man is a respecter of person. God lifts up no one but HIS SON and wants the same from us.

But I have a lot of trouble with the things that come from you.

Yeah, like I have no clue what you are saying. when I'm not agreeing with you.

How can I know that what comes from you really comes from the Spirit?

When you believe God's Word is The Final Authority - then you will hear Him for yourself and the fuzz of man-made teachings won't be a hindrance.

[Judith Anne]

When you believe God's Word is The Final Authority - then you will hear Him for yourself and the fuzz of man-made teachings won't be a hindrance.

But that statement is YOUR man-made teaching. Whom should I believe? You, or the teaching authority of the Catholic Church?

Heh. You lose.

[D-fendr]

When you believe God's Word is The Final Authority - then you will hear Him for yourself

Are you quoting scripture here?

[Mad Dawg]

God's Word is spiritually discerned and devotion to Mary is idolatry and should come in loud and clear.

Devotion to Mary should come in loud and clear?

Here's what I hear you saying: You will not or cannot argue for what you maintain. You will not or cannot entertain the opinions of others. You are persuaded that you know the truth because you are in the Spirit.

Here's what I note:You have not answered the question about how I can give all my love to God and have any left over for my neighbor though I asked it twice.

At our earliest encounter, when you were presented with a logical inference from Scripture you said it was reasoning according to one's own understanding, but you never SHOWED why it was wrong. When a logical argument following from premises with which you agree led to a conclusion you didn't like, you did not deny the premises or fault the logic. You just called it a name.

So you do not believe in reason. So I don't see how we can have a conversation.

Now, I don't know of anyone but you (or me quoting you) who brought up the matter of Jesus saying (or not saying) discuss his word to see if it's true. I certainly didn't say it, you said it to me. I still don't know why.

But I think you are mistaken in some respects. Unfortunately I would have to use reason to show it. Even referring to Philip's conversation with the Ethiopian eunuch where he helps him to see what the text is about would do no good. But plenty of people have discussed Scripture and by the grace of God working through the conversation have come to see that it was true.

So while I don't have a particular word of our Lord's to cite on this, it seems to me that if I reason with a doubter and if through that conversation the grace of God brings that doubter to faith, then it was a good thing for him to discuss the word to see if it was true.

But, there I go again using reason.

[Quix]

Well put.