Posted on 04/12/2011 7:55:27 AM PDT by bkaycee
I see caww denying
his own sect’s perversions
his own sect’s sexual abuse of vulnerable children
His own sect’s hiding and covering up of sodomy and adultery
and spewing crapola (latin for bull dung)
on this thread.
Your sect uses its pulpit to solicit sexual favors from the congrgation.
Untrue...perhaps it is you who are not reading those posts which many many times reveal what a person believes. Might be this escapes some from seeing as it doesn't require volumes of literature to support their beliefs....Gods word is sufficient for them and if good enough for God it's good enough for me. But for those who cannot stand on His word but need to have volumes of other authors to support or dictate what they should believe it might appear to simplistic....especially since Rome makes it so difficult to see the simplicity of the Gospel.
What makes you think I attend any denomination or church group? I have not claimed where I worship. So you are simply talking out your butt because I am not catholic...and typical for catholics any who are not catholic are seen like Islam does “infidels”.
INDEED.
THX.
Waiting for a response
Reams of other’s literature? yes, the Bible is another’s literature — why do you dismiss it?
you have not read a single one of the biblical quotes I posted and still talk? Talk about hardened hearts
After giving you adequate proof from the Bible for the Eucharist, which Christ Himself inaugurated you don't read it -- how hypocritical
Truly, this has to be the most egregiously contra factual statement I have EVER seen on this site.
Truly, this has to be the most egregiously contra factual statement I have EVER seen on this site.
let's see something so simple as John 6:30-36
| 30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ 32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.” 35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. |
And now the crowd is openly rebellious saying “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died.
50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
Note -- Jesus doesn't clear up the Metaphor, like he did in Matt. 16:5–12
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.
5 When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread.So, Jesus DOES indicate when it is a metaphor and when it isn't.
6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
7 They discussed this among themselves and said, “It is because we didn’t bring any bread.”
8 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread?
9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered?
10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered?
11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
| 60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”... 66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. |
Even in the literal sense -- Christ says he is the gateway to heaven and the vine such that we get nourishment with him as the connecting path. But John 6 is much much more than mere symbolism as He categorically states that "For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed" (John 6:55).
NOte, caww Even at the end of John 6, Jesus rebukes those who think of what He has said as a metaphor by emphasising that
Jesus repeats the rebuke against just thinking in terms of human logic (Calvin's main problem) by saying
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?
62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[e] and life.
64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”
Just using human logic as Calvinist thought does, without God's blessings behind it fails in grace.John 6:63 does not refer to Jesus's statement of his own flesh, if you read in context but refers to using human logic instead of dwelling on God's words.
John 8:15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.
16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.
If you wish to argue on biblical facts, then argue, don’t just say “oh, it doesn’t square with my hardened heart beliefs, so I will ignore it” — do you have the guts to actually analyze why you ignore Christ’s own words inaugurating the Eucharist?
Jesus himself did not drink or eat as this in the upper room...nor did he give any instruction to do so...you are misapplying scripture and again i am not interested in twisted intpretations of scipture...especially when the “ritual” goes against Gods clear revealed word .
And what you have said contradicts Mk 14:25
| 25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. |
You are misapplying scripture and speaking your own "ritual" of distrust.
And what you have said contradicts Lk 22:7-20
| 7Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. 8And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. 9And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? 10And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. 11And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 12And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. 13And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. 14And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. 15And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. 19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. |
“What makes you think I attend any denomination or church
group? “
The perception that you expect your opinion to be taken seriously....
Cronos the issue of the Euracrist has been argued and debated on these threads at length. You stand on your side, I stand on mine, nothing each of us or for that matter anything anyone states , is going to change this. We differ.
It I sufficient for me that Christ arose, that He sits at the right hand of God. And we celebrate communion in rememberance of the price He paid for us. Believing that the wine and bread somehow are mystically changed at the hands of the Priest is hocus pocus belief in my opinion and none of the arguements for that has convinced me otherwise. Rather it is apparent to me practicing that this somehow saves a person, or cleanses him goes against Gods word when Christ said “It is finished”. I believe Him.
| 20When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. |
Acts 2:42,46
| 42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart |
| 7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. |
and also 1 Cor 11:27-29
6 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?
How clear can Paul get? "The bread IS a participation in the body of Christ" and "who eats the bread... will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord" This is not just mere bread and wine anymore. This is the body and blood of Christ.
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.
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