“How can Protestants say that the Church is not trustworthy because it is composed of fallible men, but have no problem with a Book written by fallible men.”
Actually, evangelicals do most universally concur on truths which have been held of old which have sound Scriptural warrant and conflation, such as are expressed in the Apostles Creed, and are foremost adversaries against those who deny such, which are a result of holding men or an office as effectively infallible. And so they also contend against traditions of men which lack such warrant and conflation with Scripture, but are against it.
Thus, is not simply a matter of distrust of men but of holding the RCC as if they are infallible, which claim is based upon their claim to formulaic infallibility, which de facto renders statements infallible (if not necessarily the arguments behind them) when declared in accordance with their infallibly declared (scope and content-based) criteria, including their own claim to be infallible. But which still have need of some interpretation.
Moreover, your logic would require us to submit to the Jews, since it is expressly (versus of Rome) said of them that they were given stewardship of Scripture. (Rm. 3:2;9:4)
The way men of God and writings of God became established as such was by their heavenly qualities, supernatural Divine attestation, and their progressive complementary conflation with each other. And as such became established - most being before Rome’s claim to an infallible magisterium - they became the standard by which further revelation was tested by.
Holding Scriptures as supreme does not negate the teaching magisterium of the church, and in fact it materially establishes it, but it makes it subject to the Scriptures, rather than being the supreme authority on faith and morals, as possessing formulaic infallibility.
And while the Scriptures appeal to fallible human understanding in providing for assurance of truth, (1Jn. 5:13) those who hold Scriptures as supreme cannot claim they are infallible, but can only look to the Scriptures as the only objective, transcendent infallible authority, as they alone are affirmed to be so, (2Tim. 3:15-17) not a church office.
Rot --> tell me that the Oneness Pentecostals believe this?
And what about the Nicene Creed?
Baptists and Oneness Pentecostals are among those that reject it.
Rot --> which do you agree on?
Rot -->do you not read what your friends Dr. Eckleburg and GAmecock's groups say about you Pentecostals?
| OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals | from the OPC doctrinal website{the OPC} sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement. In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today. |
| OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Methodists: | From the opc doctrinal website:. Are Arminian (Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptist etc) preachers heretics? yes"we see the inherent Satanism of Free-Will Arminianism" (accusing Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. who disagree with Calvin of preaching a gospel of Satan |
Maybe we can ask Gamecock if he agrees with the statement (click the link): "This goes to what the Reformers taught; that is the "enthusiasts" or what we call today Pentecostals, are really no different from the Roman Catholics
Or maybe you agree with Dr. Eckleburg when she says that The problem with non-denominational churches is that there's nothing to stop the congregation from deciding to become Mormon or Unitarian, etc.
There is something to be said for a diagonal form of church structuring, like the Presbyterians -- organized by a representative group of congregants. This actually strengthens the Christian imperative rather than dilutes it as so many non-denominational churches tend to do.
Holding Scriptures as supreme does not negate the teaching magisterium of the church, and in fact it materially establishes it, but it makes it subject to the Scriptures, rather than being the supreme authority on faith and morals, as possessing formulaic infallibility.
AMEN!