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To: HossB86

“Now THAT’S rich.”

I don’t know if it’s rich, but it’s true.

“The Roman Catholic “Church” doesn’t make the definitions — GOD DOES.”

Through the Church.

“The Roman Catholic “Church” teaches apostasy. According to God’s definitions.”

No it doesn’t. Again, you curiously put the word “Church” in quotation marks.

“When the Roman Catholic “Church” teaches heresy, it is by definition heretical.”

It does not teach heresy. It cannot. Even if its teachings were false, they would not be heretical.

“Were it not so sad, it would be funny.”

It’s bad when the truth makes you react in that way.


574 posted on 03/27/2011 5:38:06 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon
It does not teach heresy. It cannot. Even if its teachings were false, they would not be heretical.

LOL LOL

584 posted on 03/27/2011 6:04:32 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: WPaCon; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Gamecock
“The Roman Catholic “Church” doesn’t make the definitions — GOD DOES.”

Through the Church.

And this, in a nutshell, is the proof of the apostasy: a group of fallible, sinful humans CLAIM that they (The Roman Catholic Church) in some way -- in any way -- have ANY say in the standards set by Almighty God.

Here's a newsflash: God is SOVEREIGN. He and He alone has set the standard; He and He alone determines those who are saved. Man has NOTHING to say about it.

As to why I put "Church" in quotations? To differentiate The True Church (all those called and regenerated) from the Roman Catholic Church that makes the claim of one true church. A false claim at best.

Does the Roman Catholic "Church" teach that Christ alone is the one mediator between God and man? Be careful: it's been posted here before... but, just to be accurate, allow me to quote from the Roman Catholic Church's catechism:

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfilment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

Where, in scripture, does it state that Mary was "taken" into Heaven?

Where, in scripture, does it state that Mary provides "intercession"?

Where, in scripture, does it state that Mary is an "Advocate," "Helper," "Benefactress," or "Mediatrix?"

And that last one is the kicker -- Mediatrix? Really? Where in scripture did God say this? So.....

If it's being taught in the "Church," and it's a different gospel (and ascribing to ANYONE other than Christ the title of mediator and intercessor is a different gospel than that taught in God's word), then, it's heresy.

This was taken from the Roman Catholic "Church"'s own catechism -- from the Vatican website -- and, as such is constituted as being taught by the Roman Catholic "Church" -- so, the "Church" IS teaching heresy.

No amount of saying, "no it doesn't" will change the cold, hard FACT that the Roman Catholic "Church" is a false church -- apostate and heretical.

Hoss

614 posted on 03/27/2011 7:08:04 PM PDT by HossB86 ( NOBODY admits to being a Calvinist unless they are one. I AM ONE.)
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To: WPaCon; HossB86; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

The Vatican does not own the definition of the word *heresy*.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heresy

her·e·sy

1 a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma
1 b : denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church

1 c : an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma

2 a : dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice

2 b : an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards

If the RCC wants to declare people who deny their teachings as heretics against the Catholic church, then that’s their prerogative. However, they are in no position to declare them to be heretics against Christianity as a whole.


664 posted on 03/27/2011 8:14:43 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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