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It’s not ignorance.

These people know full well that they are lying.

BTW, Cronos, if you want ridiculous quotes from Protestants on your about page, this thread is a goldmine.

The ones on the opposing side to us on this thread including the OP are not Protestants.

Protestants are our Christian brothers. Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals and even the non-OPC/PCA Presbyterians worship our Loving Christian God.

They disagree with us, yet do not resort to the language of hate, but lovingly explain their positions to us and lovingly disagree with us.

I object on behalf of my Protestant Christian brethern to calling these anti-Catholic posters on this thread as "Protestants". They are not filled with the love of Christ. Rather they are filled with the hate of the enemy.

It is obvious in ever post that they post. They are so utterly consumed with their need to spread bile and hatred that they are blinded by it.

During this peaceful and prayerful time when we all contemplate the one-time sacrifice of Our Lord and Our God and which we share with our Methodist and Lutheran and Anglican brethern (and many others) is also the time when the enemy is the most frustrated. Satan sees us praying intensely and more and contemplating Our Lord, Jesus Christ and he hates it, he is frustrated and furious and tries every means to tear us away from this focus.

That is why the attacks on Christians increase during this period. That is why we see the frustrated lashings out of the followers of the enemy -- posting anything they can to attack and spread their hate. The enemy will say or do anything to divert our attention away from prayer and contemplation.

Let us not fall for these tactics, but let us pray for these -- the more we pray for these haters of Christ and His Church, the more the enemy is infuriated.

We must remember to tell Satan and his minions by praying to Our Lord Jesus Christ and telling the enemy "Vade retro satana / Numquam suade mihi vana" -- translation: "Step back Satan / Never tempt me with vain things"

Remember, the ones who spout the hatred against us believers in Christ are the OPC/PCA (Orthodo-Presbyterian and Presbyterian C in America) members and they also hate Lutherans, Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptists, Orthodox, etc. with equal vehemence In fact they seem to hate all Christians. This is what the OPC/PCA members preach in their hatred against all Christians


OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals	from the OPC doctrinal website {the OPC} sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement. In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today. This is a very serious error (of the Pentecostals). In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Lutherans	"The liberal church teaching of free will has infected the Lutherans, too, in contradiction to what Martin Luther taught from Scripture" by an OPC poster:
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Methodists:	From the opc doctrinal website: . Are Arminian (Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptist etc) preachers heretics? yes . Is Arminianism (Methodism, Pentecostalism, Baptists) a damnable heresy? Yes. . the teachings of Arminianism are contrary to Scripture, they are manifestly false. They are serious perversions of the gospel of Jesus Christ "we see the inherent Satanism of Free-Will Arminianism" (accusing Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. who disagree with Calvin of preaching a gospel of Satan
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Methodists	"John Wesley preached Universal Infant Damnation for unbaptized infants -- which is unsurprising, because Wesley preached the Gospel of Satan" by a PCA poster
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Judaism	Acording to the OPC "Christians should not celebrate the Seder or other Jewish festivals. "
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Catholics together as targets of the OPC/PCA message of hate	The PCA view expressed by one prominent member here on FR: "This goes to what the Reformers taught; that is the "enthusiasts" or what we call today Pentecostals, are really no different from the Roman Catholics." And I think this is one reason why it is easy for certain evangelicals, often from the "enthusiast" wing, find it easy to become Roman Catholic.
OPC/PCA preaching hatred and evil against Christians martyred by Moslems in the Middle East	This man followed the wrong teachings of ... and we know what happens to such people. Heaven is for the elect.
preaching hatred against the Eastern Orthodox	Insinuating that the E. Orthodox are not helping others in Japan
preaching hatred against Adventists	The Adventists are a cult that is as dangerous as the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Mormons
revealing their true beliefs that Christianity means only Calvinism and only their particular brand of Calvinism	OPC poster: "That's Christianity. That's Calvinism" OPC " The problem with non-denominational churches is that there's nothing to stop the congregation from deciding to become Mormon or Unitarian, etc. There is something to be said for a diagonal form of church structuring, like the Presbyterians -- organized by a representative group of congregants. This actually strengthens the Christian imperative rather than dilutes it as so many non-denominational churches tend to do." "Calvinism is the Gospel and to teach Calvinism is in fact to preach the Gospel." Arthur C. Custance, The Sovereignty of Grace, 1979. "Calvinism is evangelicalism in its purest and only stable expression." B.B. Warfield, Calvin and Augustine, ed. Samuel G. Craig, 1956 "We believe with the great Baptist preacher, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, that Calvinism is just another name for Christianity." John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism, 1991.

Who are these hatred mongers of the OPC/PCA? What do they preach?

They preach:

That many of the unborn children (victims of baby-killers etc) will still go to hell, condemned by the OPC/PCA version of God
that they are alone among the upper caste of people who will be saved irrespective of their lives
that those who are not PCA/OPC are not elect and are damnable heretics (this includes all Pentecostals, Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Orientals, Mennonites, etc.)
A man was damned or saved; and it was not of his doing. The recognition of evil as equal with good, which rapidly becomes the worship of evil (the great Manichean heresy, which has roots as old as mankind; the permanent motive of Fear). They ascribe to God all our suffering, and, for most of us, necessary and eternal suffering.
They preach a syncretic mixed form of Hinduism and Christianity. They say that The Father predestinated the plan and the Son and Spirit agreed to the plan . God the Father is "conferencing" with the Son and the Spirit. As three seperate Gods. This is the OPC/PCA disclosure of their polytheism
They add to this by saying "There is no warrant in the scriptures for prayers to anyone other than God the Father. He is God and He is called Lord and Jesus, Paul and John address prayers solely to Him."
They preach exlusively from the writings of Paul and of Calvin, equating them and now there seems to be an elevation of Gresham Machen especially in the OPC by insinuations that St. Paul was senile

How numerous is this group spreading hatred?

The OPC and PCA combine consisting of about 400,000 people, yet the OPC was formed in the 1930s and has had two splits since then. It is heading for it's third and final split before it's destruction.

This is what an ex-Ruling Elder of the OPC says about this group:

From the Trinity Foundation

the Report continues the conspiracy of silence that has prevailed in the OPC for three decades. It leaves the erroneous impression that the serious doctrinal problems are outside the denomination, not within it. The Report gives false comfort to those who think the OPC is still a bastion of Biblical orthodoxy. On the contrary, the Report, and the 2006 General Assembly’s commendation of it, both maintain the OPC as a safe haven for those who teach error
Men within the OPC, including at least one member of the Committee itself, teach heresy regarding the Gospel and many other fundamentals of the faith.
The OPC long ago ceased to proclaim the one true Gospel to the exclusion of all false gospels
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was founded in 1936 by about 135 people who were offended by the lack of discipline in and doctrinal errors of the Presbyterian Church in the USA. .
But early in its history the OPC fell under the influence of an agnostic view of propositional revelation emanating from Westminster Seminary -- a view that said that there is no identity of content between the \"Christian system\" of theology, meaning Reformed confessions of faith, and the \"divine system\" of theology, known only to God.

This agnosticism has now brought the OPC to the point of falling. Like its predecessor, the PCUSA, the OPC has failed to discipline teachers who teach contrary to Scriptures and the Confession of Faith, and it has endorsed un-Biblical teaching about Scripture and the Gospel.

Are they spreading their message of hate?

Despite the crowing that one may hear or read, the actual numbers show a large number leaving the Presbyterians as a whole

	2009 membership	2010 membership	Lost	Gained
PCUSA	2,934,952	2,844,952	90,000
PCA	335,000	340,000		5,500
OPC	21,123	21,530		407

		Disappearing Presbyterians	84,100

The PCA is 300,000 in membership, and a recent man-made creation. It is already in disarray over Federal Vision and deaconesses. It is heading down the path to having practising homosexual pastors in partnerships
They are already having extortion going on like the ECUSA, it's already showing signs of splitting -- signs which are even stronger in the other denomination, the OPC which is not expected to survive to see the centenary of it's founding by it's Head Prophet and Perpetual Ruling Elder Gresham Machen.

Remember, the ones who spout the hatred against us believers in Christ are the OPC/PCA (Orthodo-Presbyterian and Presbyterian C in America) members and they also hate Lutherans, Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptists, Orthodox, etc. with equal vehemence In fact they seem to hate all Christians. This is what the OPC/PCA members preach in their hatred against all Christians


OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals	from the OPC doctrinal website {the OPC} sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement. In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today. This is a very serious error (of the Pentecostals). In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Lutherans	"The liberal church teaching of free will has infected the Lutherans, too, in contradiction to what Martin Luther taught from Scripture" by an OPC poster:
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Methodists:	From the opc doctrinal website: . Are Arminian (Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptist etc) preachers heretics? yes . Is Arminianism (Methodism, Pentecostalism, Baptists) a damnable heresy? Yes. . the teachings of Arminianism are contrary to Scripture, they are manifestly false. They are serious perversions of the gospel of Jesus Christ "we see the inherent Satanism of Free-Will Arminianism" (accusing Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. who disagree with Calvin of preaching a gospel of Satan
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Methodists	"John Wesley preached Universal Infant Damnation for unbaptized infants -- which is unsurprising, because Wesley preached the Gospel of Satan" by a PCA poster
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Judaism	Acording to the OPC "Christians should not celebrate the Seder or other Jewish festivals. "
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Catholics together as targets of the OPC/PCA message of hate	The PCA view expressed by one prominent member here on FR: "This goes to what the Reformers taught; that is the "enthusiasts" or what we call today Pentecostals, are really no different from the Roman Catholics." And I think this is one reason why it is easy for certain evangelicals, often from the "enthusiast" wing, find it easy to become Roman Catholic.
OPC/PCA preaching hatred and evil against Christians martyred by Moslems in the Middle East	This man followed the wrong teachings of ... and we know what happens to such people. Heaven is for the elect.
preaching hatred against the Eastern Orthodox	Insinuating that the E. Orthodox are not helping others in Japan
preaching hatred against Adventists	The Adventists are a cult that is as dangerous as the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Mormons
revealing their true beliefs that Christianity means only Calvinism and only their particular brand of Calvinism	OPC poster: "That's Christianity. That's Calvinism" OPC " The problem with non-denominational churches is that there's nothing to stop the congregation from deciding to become Mormon or Unitarian, etc. There is something to be said for a diagonal form of church structuring, like the Presbyterians -- organized by a representative group of congregants. This actually strengthens the Christian imperative rather than dilutes it as so many non-denominational churches tend to do." "Calvinism is the Gospel and to teach Calvinism is in fact to preach the Gospel." Arthur C. Custance, The Sovereignty of Grace, 1979. "Calvinism is evangelicalism in its purest and only stable expression." B.B. Warfield, Calvin and Augustine, ed. Samuel G. Craig, 1956 "We believe with the great Baptist preacher, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, that Calvinism is just another name for Christianity." John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism, 1991.

Who are these hatred mongers of the OPC/PCA? What do they preach?

They preach:

That many of the unborn children (victims of baby-killers etc) will still go to hell, condemned by the OPC/PCA version of God
that they are alone among the upper caste of people who will be saved irrespective of their lives
that those who are not PCA/OPC are not elect and are damnable heretics (this includes all Pentecostals, Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Orientals, Mennonites, etc.)
A man was damned or saved; and it was not of his doing. The recognition of evil as equal with good, which rapidly becomes the worship of evil (the great Manichean heresy, which has roots as old as mankind; the permanent motive of Fear). They ascribe to God all our suffering, and, for most of us, necessary and eternal suffering.
They preach a syncretic mixed form of Hinduism and Christianity. They say that The Father predestinated the plan and the Son and Spirit agreed to the plan . God the Father is "conferencing" with the Son and the Spirit. As three seperate Gods. This is the OPC/PCA disclosure of their polytheism
They add to this by saying "There is no warrant in the scriptures for prayers to anyone other than God the Father. He is God and He is called Lord and Jesus, Paul and John address prayers solely to Him."
They preach exlusively from the writings of Paul and of Calvin, equating them and now there seems to be an elevation of Gresham Machen especially in the OPC by insinuations that St. Paul was senile

How numerous is this group spreading hatred?

The OPC and PCA combine consisting of about 400,000 people, yet the OPC was formed in the 1930s and has had two splits since then. It is heading for it's third and final split before it's destruction.

This is what an ex-Ruling Elder of the OPC says about this group:

From the Trinity Foundation

the Report continues the conspiracy of silence that has prevailed in the OPC for three decades. It leaves the erroneous impression that the serious doctrinal problems are outside the denomination, not within it. The Report gives false comfort to those who think the OPC is still a bastion of Biblical orthodoxy. On the contrary, the Report, and the 2006 General Assembly’s commendation of it, both maintain the OPC as a safe haven for those who teach error
Men within the OPC, including at least one member of the Committee itself, teach heresy regarding the Gospel and many other fundamentals of the faith.
The OPC long ago ceased to proclaim the one true Gospel to the exclusion of all false gospels
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was founded in 1936 by about 135 people who were offended by the lack of discipline in and doctrinal errors of the Presbyterian Church in the USA. .
But early in its history the OPC fell under the influence of an agnostic view of propositional revelation emanating from Westminster Seminary -- a view that said that there is no identity of content between the \"Christian system\" of theology, meaning Reformed confessions of faith, and the \"divine system\" of theology, known only to God.

This agnosticism has now brought the OPC to the point of falling. Like its predecessor, the PCUSA, the OPC has failed to discipline teachers who teach contrary to Scriptures and the Confession of Faith, and it has endorsed un-Biblical teaching about Scripture and the Gospel.

Are they spreading their message of hate?

Despite the crowing that one may hear or read, the actual numbers show a large number leaving the Presbyterians as a whole

	2009 membership	2010 membership	Lost	Gained
PCUSA	2,934,952	2,844,952	90,000
PCA	335,000	340,000		5,500
OPC	21,123	21,530		407

		Disappearing Presbyterians	84,100

The PCA is 300,000 in membership, and a recent man-made creation. It is already in disarray over Federal Vision and deaconesses. It is heading down the path to having practising homosexual pastors in partnerships
They are already having extortion going on like the ECUSA, it's already showing signs of splitting -- signs which are even stronger in the other denomination, the OPC which is not expected to survive to see the centenary of it's founding by it's Head Prophet and Perpetual Ruling Elder Gresham Machen.