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The arguments used in defense of Catholic doctrine do not constitute Catholic doctrine themselves, but like most previous posts of mine are merely my own arguments made in defense of my understanding of Catholic doctrine.
1 posted on 03/19/2011 10:57:36 PM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer; Salvation

Catholic ping?


2 posted on 03/19/2011 11:04:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I cannot find recorded anywhere in the WHOLE of the Bible that Mary never sinned. Christ is the only one who walked this earth in a flesh body that never sinned. I really do not understand the obsession on the holiness of a flesh being that served God and us by being the vessel that fulfilled the promise all those many years earlier. A virgin would conceive and .......


3 posted on 03/19/2011 11:06:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: dangus

Sometimes I argue with people that disagree with me and they consider evidence reasonably. Heck, sometimes they even convince me theirs is the more correct position. But it frustrates me when the body of evidence is very clear on an issue, but the “other side” simply refuses to see it. Like liberals, they will focus on the tiniest tidbit of evidence that supports their side while ignoring mountains of evidence that supports its, well, lunacy.

This is the situation with the “Mary was perfect” or “Mary was ever-virgin” crowd. Someone told them what to believe and that settles it.


4 posted on 03/19/2011 11:06:27 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: dangus

Wow! You are getting very deep. Interesting view.


5 posted on 03/19/2011 11:09:33 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: dangus
I once personally prayed about The Immaculate Conception for an answer. It when on for awhile I asked God for where I would know it without a doubt. The last time I prayed a website came up came up on my computer with Catholic explanation. I did not touch my computer. It came up on its own. That was years ago. Seek and you will find!!! I believe it and that settles it for me.

Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!!! AMEN!! AMEN!! AMEN!!

So it is!!! It will always be!!!!

At least for this Christian.

Thats the whole truth and nothing but the truth!! So help me God!! AMEN!!!

10 posted on 03/19/2011 11:25:19 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: dangus

Christ Jesus died on the cross once for all time [Hebrews 10:12] for ALL men and women; for ALL have SINNED and fall short of the Glory of God [Romans 3:23]…that includes Mary...As it is written, there is NONE righteous, NO, NOT ONE…that is why Mary said in Luke 1:47: And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savoiur! If Mary was sinless, then she was equal with Jesus Christ, who had NO SIN. Christ is the only one to have no sin: and Mary was neither equal with God nor is she sinless as a human being. The Scriptures bear out in many places that men/women are ALL sinners, that is why God sent His Son to die once for all the sins of both man/woman. Mary acknowledged her Saviour; it is high time that Rome acknowledges that Mary was correct: that she needed a Saviour just like everyone else - that is Biblical - and no amount of man’s traditions will trump God Word: which is perfectly accurate regarding salvation for all sinners.


13 posted on 03/19/2011 11:33:24 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: dangus

If Mary was immaculately concieved, it would have been by the Holy Spirit which would make her God as Jesus is God.


51 posted on 03/20/2011 2:05:12 AM PDT by PrepareToLeave (Arrows of the Almighty @ Amazon.com)
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To: dangus

Not bad. I will struggle a little with the construction of the nunc dimittis, but I can see it. The Lord is glorious in His works, venite, adoremus.


60 posted on 03/20/2011 4:26:50 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: dangus

In dealing with Catholic beliefs about Mary on must remember he is dealing with people who follow popes who make pilgrimages to the grave on one who believes:

1. It was through the Blessed Virgin Mary that Jesus came into the world, and it is also through her that he must reign in the world.

2. Because Mary remained hidden during her life she is called by the Holy Spirit and the Church “Alma Mater”, Mother hidden and unknown. So great was her humility that she desired nothing more upon earth than to remain unknown to herself and to others, and to be known only to God.

3. In answer to her prayers to remain hidden, poor and lowly, God was pleased to conceal her from nearly every other human creature in her conception, her birth, her life, her mysteries, her resurrection and assumption. Her own parents did not really know her; and the angels would often ask one another, “Who can she possibly be?”, for God had hidden her from them, or if he did reveal anything to them, it was nothing compared with what he withheld.

4. God the Father willed that she should perform no miracle during her life, at least no public one, although he had given her the power to do so. God the Son willed that she should speak very little although he had imparted his wisdom to her. Even though Mary was his faithful spouse, God the Holy Spirit willed that his apostles and evangelists should say very little about her and then only as much as was necessary to make Jesus known.


78 posted on 03/20/2011 8:05:11 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: dangus

The Blessed Virgin Mary held within her, the most Holy Son of God and Son of Man.

Of course she was pure to be the Ark of the New Covenant.

“Hail Mary, full of grace.” is how the Archangel Gabriel greeter her.

How could the Blessed Virgin Mary be “full of grace” if she had sin on her soul?


80 posted on 03/20/2011 8:10:15 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dangus
Therefore, it should hardly be surprising that one who has been prevented from original sin should rejoice in her "savior" from original sin.

Sheesh. What a stretch.

85 posted on 03/20/2011 10:42:19 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: dangus

Why would Mary need to be sinless?


95 posted on 03/20/2011 12:21:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: dangus
"The bible explicitly states that salvation occurred anticipating these events. For the prophet Simeon stated upon seeing the infant Jesus, "Mine eyes have seen thy salvation." How could this be? Whose salvation has he witnessed?

Mary's."

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Luke 2:29-32 "Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel."

"Lord," - Simeon is talking to God the Father.

"...now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:" - (see Luke 2:25-26)

"For mine eyes have seen thy salvation," - God sent His Son to die for the sins of the whole world..

"Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;" - God the Father

"A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel." - God the Son.

169 posted on 03/22/2011 2:48:43 AM PDT by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)
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To: dangus

Mary was sinful and needed a savior just like all the rest of us!


289 posted on 03/23/2011 4:47:40 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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