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To: Paragon Defender; delacoert
Lurkers will note that the 'links' are not unified in the least for their explanation of why the papyrus epically fails to document the book of abraham. Some claim that it isn't the papyrus - yet mormon apologist Nibley as well as papyrologist and egyptologists say otherwise. Other morg apologists will say that it simply supplied the 'inspiration' and that of course the words wouldn't be the same - but then that fails to be a translation then. However, NONE of these sites can officially speak for the mormon church - so what does the OFFICIAL site say - nothing, they ignore the issue, as if hoping it would go away.

This debate continues because mormons want their church to be true more than they want the truth.

36 posted on 03/20/2011 7:40:29 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
This debate continues because mormons want their church to be true more than they want the truth.

The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story. No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim... only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.

 

Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



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What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


52 posted on 03/20/2011 6:47:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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