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To: betty boop
"In a nutshell, the attempt to reduce Number Theory to its syntactical elements alone failed. It's interesting to note that, as far back as Pythagoras, it was thought numbers weren't just manipulable entities useful in e.g., counting and measuring operations; numbers had "magnitude" in themselves. That is to say, numbers carry meaning: They have semantic value in themselves."

"...There is one additional aspect of the third commandment that I had wanted to get into, but this has already gone on rather long, and I don't really have timelessness enough to expand upon it. That is the possibility of metaphysical knowledge which is both objectively true and operative, or fruitful, in the psyche. Virtually all postmodern thought is in agreement that objective metaphysical knowledge is not possible -- that it is intrinsically “vain.” Here again we see an exact reversal of the reality, for the religious view is that human beings most definitely have access, through the uncreated intellect, to objective truth. There are eternal truths that man may not only know, but without which man couldn't know anything, and wouldn't be man.

Example?

Oh, there are so many, I don’t know where to begin. How about this one: semantics cannot be reduced to syntax. Because it can’t, language is not just a vain epiphenomenon produced by a modified primate brain, including the mathematical language that governs the physical universe, the language of DNA, the language of music, or the language of Shakespeare. Ultimately, it means that meaning is indeed meaningful and not merely a vain existential pursuit. The cosmos is not just a tale told by a tenured idiot, full of sound and fury but signifying short hours and a nice paycheck. Rather, it is a vehicle of Ultimate Meaning, as it is a lifeline tossed down from above, not an ivory tower of babbling idiots built from below, prick by prick.

HERE

190 posted on 03/19/2011 12:55:39 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: Matchett-PI

EXCELLENT.

Thx.


197 posted on 03/19/2011 1:25:50 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Matchett-PI; kosta50; Alamo-Girl; Quix; ModelBreaker; Mind-numbed Robot; metmom; xzins; Godzilla; ..
If you have the calling to speak to the Dawkins crowd, you must answer the call, but remember that the full truth is always revealed only to relatively few who seek truth and wisdom faithfully and as disciples of the great masters. The Dawkinses have always been with us. Five years from now they will be replaced by some new fad that feeds on death. They are nothing more or less than the world which is already passing away. At times it seems clear that they don’t even want to refute other arguments, they just want to suck people into an argument that itself will drag everyone down to death. They want us to speak like them: at one time ironic, condescending, and spiteful, and at another time with a false modesty that feeds on ignorance, tepidity, sloth, and death."

I very much appreciate — and agree — with "Van" at the link you provided. But Gagdad Bob has weighed in there, too. The italics above capture what he said.

Once again, I find myself in profound agreement with his insights.

Thank you so very much, Matchett-PI!

200 posted on 03/19/2011 1:54:55 PM PDT by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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