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Saved by Faith or Works?
Catholic Exchange ^ | March 3, 2011 | Marcellino D'Ambrosio, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/08/2011 10:19:18 AM PST by NYer

Protestants say we’re saved by faith. Some Catholics say we’re saved by good works.

What does the Bible say?

This Sunday’s readings* are clear — it’s neither. And it’s both. At the very same time.

First, let’s define our terms. When St. Paul says “works” don’t save us, he is really referring to two things. First of all, he is speaking about the “works” of the Mosaic Law, which include everything from keeping dietary regulations to observing the Ten Commandments. Secondly, he means good actions performed by willpower, without any particular help from God. Paul had thought that rigorous observance of the Law, carrying out its prescribed works, was the key to making a person right with God. But his attempts to observe the law met with frustration (see Romans 7:15-24). The Law made him aware of God’s will but did not enable him to carry it out. “I cannot even understand my own actions. I do not do what I want to do but what I hate … what a wretched man I am!” His attempts at outward observance didn’t change his heart. In fact his heart was so far from God that he cruelly persecuted the followers of Jesus, looking on in approval as St. Stephen was stoned to death.

In Romans 3:23 St. Paul lays it out: We have all sinned seriously. None of us, on our own steam and by our own merits, can ever do enough to earn God’s favor. So God has fixed the problem — he gives us his favor as a free, undeserved gift in response to the sacrifice of Jesus, His son. We become pleasing to him, reconciled to him, not by our own efforts but by the cross of Christ. We receive this gift through the act of faith. So we are saved by faith, not by the works — at least not by the works of the Mosaic Law, done by our own strength.

So the faith camp wins? Not so fast. Let’s take a closer look at what the Bible means by faith.

Many people think that faith is belief. Belief that God exists … that Jesus is the son of God … that Jesus rose from the dead. Intellectual assent to all these truths is of course important, and is an indispensable part of the act of faith. Such belief often leads to religious actions — the hanging of crucifixes in our home, the wearing of medals, the recitation of prayers. These acts of piety are also good.

But Sunday’s Gospel says that mere belief and acts of piety are not enough to save us. Those rejected by God in Matt 7:21-23 clearly “believed” in Jesus; in fact, they prophesied and worked miracles in Jesus’ name. Perhaps they also said novenas in his name. But he said to them “out of my sight, you evil doers.” One of the strongest lines in the gospels provides an explanation: “None of those who cry out, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of God but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”

Biblical faith is not just belief. It is surrender. It is a complete entrusting of oneself to God in Christ and acceptance of his power, his will, and his plan. If we truly say yes to Him and let his grace into our hearts, we’ll never be the same. His love begins to work through us and change our lives. His Spirit takes up residence within us, giving us the strength to do what we could never do on our own, even to begin to love like He loves.

So true biblical faith is not passive. It is active, dynamic and alive. That’s why St. James says that faith without works is dead (James 2:24-26). Abraham believed that an unknown God was calling him to leave civilization and march into the desert to find a land that this God has promised him. Abraham did not sit and contemplate this call or set up a shrine to this God. He got up and began walking (Genesis 12).

So we are justified by faith, if we mean the authentic biblical faith that causes us to walk in God’s ways. And we are justified by works, if we mean the works of charity that can only flow from faith and grace.

So really, it’s not faith vs. works. It’s faith that works.


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To: pgyanke

I think we are mixing definitions here. I don’t think there are any Protestants anywhere who will deny that belief results in positive action - i.e. proof of salvation. That is indeed the cornerstone of our argument. Belief is not some passive thought process. A saving faith is the beginning of a relationship with our Lord, but our salvation is not dependent on somehow not screwing up. We can’t earn it, didn’t earn, won’t ever earn it. It’s grace - a gift. We can’t lose what we haven’t earned. That’s why only God can do the job.


81 posted on 03/08/2011 2:13:25 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH

precisely.


82 posted on 03/08/2011 2:14:18 PM PST by Turtlepower
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To: verga

The plain text of Hebrews 9:12 that I mentioned previously clearly states the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is sufficient.
Read it again “...He entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.”

Does that text suggest that somehow the sacrifice of Christ was not sufficient and did not secure our redemption forever? No! It does not say that Jesus did a lot for us, but it was not enough.


83 posted on 03/08/2011 2:18:55 PM PST by Turtlepower
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To: verga

If one is saved one doesn’t “glibly go around sinning”. You’re talking about someone who hasn’t been regenerated. They are playing church - not genuinely saved. There are many on that day who will say “Lord, Lord, have we not by thy Name prophesied, and by thy Name cast out devils? and by thy Name done many great works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:22-23. Clearly works salvation/playing church is a one way ticket to Hell.


84 posted on 03/08/2011 2:22:45 PM PST by JLLH
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To: NavyCanDo; JLLH
And if it is Belief + Works, I sure feel sorry for those accepting Christ at the last moments of their life – not having time left for works.

The Lord has entrusted lots of things to us: money, natural talents, spiritual gifts, the saving truth of the Gospel. He expects us not just to conserve these things but to grow them. In the last supper discourse (John 15) He speaks of the disciples as bearing much fruit. The fact that such an individual was not focused on that particular message at the time of their death, does not rule out that during their life, they may very well have been generous in sharing their "talents" with others.

85 posted on 03/08/2011 2:49:58 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
So, to get that mansion in the sky Jesus paid the down payment on the cross, and then requires us to pay the rest of Mortgage off!

You missed the message entirely. Each one of us has God-given abilities (i.e. "talents"). It is commensurate upon us to "multiply" those talents in our lifetimes, sharing them with others. (Matthew 25:14-30)

86 posted on 03/08/2011 2:52:28 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: pgyanke
No.
We work for the Kingdom because we are Saved by Grace, not to earn Salvation.
When our bodies fail, we have the privilege to join God Almighty for Eternity.
87 posted on 03/08/2011 2:58:15 PM PST by svcw (You will never understand Grace until you understand you do not deserve it)
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To: NYer
***You missed the message entirely. Each one of us has God-given abilities (i.e. “talents”).****

If you are referring to St Paul's message in Ephesians 2: 8-10 I have no quarrel with that.

88 posted on 03/08/2011 3:01:42 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: Turtlepower
and hold it fast

Sounds like a work to me. You have to hold it fast. If you don't, you lose it.

Exactly the point of Scripture.

89 posted on 03/08/2011 3:25:48 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

As the context of that parable demonsrates, those who have good soil, meaning good hearts, will hold fast the word of God; so they will continue to believe the word of God. That verse that doesn’t say that doing good works earns someone salvation.

If you consider a continual belief in God as a work then fine - that is semantics. The point is a true belief in God and not a superficial belief in God is what saves a person. You can tell those who have a true belief in God because they will bear fruit. All others do not have a solid belief.

That’s it - it’s that simple. True belief leads to good works. A person doesn’t need to do good works to earn their way into Heaven. They should do good works because they have a relationship with Christ who gives power to his followers to do good.


90 posted on 03/08/2011 4:21:04 PM PST by Turtlepower
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To: Turtlepower
That implies that somehow

Quote me exactly, show me exactly where I SAID it, if not admit you are in error or lying.

91 posted on 03/08/2011 4:46:44 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: svcw

See my post 91.


92 posted on 03/08/2011 4:49:04 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Turtlepower
The plain text of Hebrews 9:12 that I mentioned previously clearly states the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is sufficient. Read it again “...He entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.” Does that text suggest that somehow the sacrifice of Christ was not sufficient and did not secure our redemption forever? No! It does not say that Jesus did a lot for us, but it was not enough.

Col 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,

Yeah I was pretty sure I had quoted it correctly in context: lacking in Christ's afflictions

What could that mean, what could that mean? Oh yeah it must mean that Verga knows what he is talking about.

93 posted on 03/08/2011 4:55:17 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: JLLH
Congratulations, that is the precise definition of every protestant group out there, they are Playing at church to use your definition.
94 posted on 03/08/2011 4:57:29 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer

Wow!!!! A Catholic article I actually agree with. I’m glad this isn’t a Caucus thread so I can say that. :O)


95 posted on 03/08/2011 5:04:45 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: NYer

Faith is a work


96 posted on 03/08/2011 5:06:41 PM PST by Jim Noble (I'd crawl over broken glass for her. Alea iacta est.)
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To: NYer
St. Bernadette, to whom Mary ("I am The Immaculate Conception") appeared to in Lourdes, said:
"They think I'm a saint... When I'm dead, they'll come and touch holy pictures and rosaries to me, and all the while I'll be getting broiled on a grill in purgatory. At least promise me you'll pray a lot for the repose of my soul." --Bernadette Speaks / Song of Bernadette
After viewing "Song of Bernadette" several times, I can say that if ever there was a woman that didn't need to concern herself regarding her soul's final resting place, it would be Bernadette Soubirous. And yet, even she requested prayers.

St. Bernadette, please pray for us!

(Wishing everyone a good and productive Lenten season.)
97 posted on 03/08/2011 5:33:45 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: verga; Turtlepower
You state in your post #65 And we must add our own work.

That statement is saying that Jesus is not sufficient.

98 posted on 03/08/2011 6:21:21 PM PST by svcw (You will never understand Grace until you understand you do not deserve it)
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To: NYer
It sounds like you are saying the thief on the cross that Jesus said will be in Paradise, made it because Jesus could see the good works he did in his life. I don't think that at all. The Thief “made it” because he truly believed in his heart that the man being crucified next to him was the Messiah.
99 posted on 03/08/2011 6:24:19 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: pgyanke

Applaud and many blessings for your great post.


100 posted on 03/08/2011 7:08:12 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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