[re_nortex]

Since when do we start listening to theological advise by people who consider themselves first to be "poet/artist/dramatist"? I don't believe John Calvin ever referred to himself as any of those things.

poet/artist/dramatist: In other words, quite possibly, a liberal.

In my estimation, liberalism is just one tiny step removed from Communism. And, of course, Communism is an atheistic political movement. That's why I have no hesitancy (nor any doubt whatsoever) in stating that adherents to that Godless manifestation of evil are justifiably doomed to everlasting punishment.

[HarleyD]

I agree. While some may argue that the Old Testament doesn't speak of hell, the Lord Jesus spoke of hell and torment on many occasions. People who do not believe in the torments of hell simply don't believe what God (the Son) has said on the matter. It's as simple as that.

Anyone who tries to argue that hell is NOT real and people will NOT face torment, are obfuscating what the scriptures tells us. This is a different gospel and is to be soundly rejected. I think you're right on target; this is liberalism in the church. After what we have seen from Wisconsin, I'm more convince that liberalism and Communism goes hand-in-hand.