[dangus]

The PCA is a Christian church. The PCUSA is not any more. The PCUSA can be friendlier to the Catholic Church, but only to the subversives within the Catholic Church, not to the real Christians. And this is why I don’t get why the Calvinists are so bent on attacking the Catholic Church: they keep presenting the miscreants and heretics as if they represent the real Catholic church.

When the Catholic Freepers aren’t defending the real Catholic church from Calvinist attacks, they’re (righteously) ferocious about cleaning up the liturgical abuse, the misdirection away from spiritual matters to corporeal matters, the Kumbaya Kommunists (I just made that up. You like?)

The Calvinist theological attacks have a good side: the Catholic counter-arguments help us Catholics learn from one another. But the scandal-mongering probably convince most people that both sides are a bunch of miscreants. If someone is belligerent enough, and simultaneously attacks the Catholic Church while arguing that the Catholic Church teaches salvation through works, the average person will walk away thinking that person is a jerk and that the Catholic Church teaches salvation through do-gooderism... and if he’s friendly enough to Catholicism, might just start believing in salvation through do-gooderism!

[Cronos]

And this is why I don’t get why the Calvinists are so bent on attacking the Catholic Church: they keep presenting the miscreants and heretics as if they represent the real Catholic church.

Exactly -- and they keep insisting that the PCUSA aren't real Presbyterians if asked about these black sheep

When the Catholic Freepers aren’t defending the real Catholic church from Calvinist attacks, they’re (righteously) ferocious about cleaning up the liturgical abuse, the misdirection away from spiritual matters to corporeal matters, the Kumbaya Kommunists (I just made that up. You like?) --> love it -- may I borrow it?

[Cronos]

But the scandal-mongering probably convince most people that both sides are a bunch of miscreants. If someone is belligerent enough, and simultaneously attacks the Catholic Church while arguing that the Catholic Church teaches salvation through works, the average person will walk away thinking that person is a jerk and that the Catholic Church teaches salvation through do-gooderism... and if he’s friendly enough to Catholicism, might just start believing in salvation through do-gooderism!

Well put.

On this thread you now see how someone puts the statements of "oh, this is one bad PCA person, so all PCA are like this" -- this is the SAME attack used on CAtholics, the very same and now we see complaints that someone else is using it on the PCA?

We see someone putting up a fake number of 3 billion dollars and they will complain when someone else may say that “Well, I heard that the PCA tore down 2.5 million square miles of Brazilian rain forest because they were afraid someone might try to build a cross.”

a 300,000 membership organization attacks one with 1.2 billion and doesn't see how those attacks are viewed by non-Christians everywhere. the 300K organization lives in its own cocoon. sheesh.