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The Pandemic of End-Times Dysfunction (E.D.)
The Gary DeMar Show ^ | Nov 12, 2009 | Joel McDurmon

Posted on 02/12/2011 6:20:06 PM PST by topcat54

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To: GiovannaNicoletta; topcat54; CynicalBear; The Theophilus; RJR_fan; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Do you believe the following:

"Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have not hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."

"And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

Sit down.

It's God's word. Yes, we most certainly believe it.

We do not, however, understand it to say the things you think it does. We read the 1 Thessalonians text, for instance, and read about the resurrection, and the catching up of believers to meet the Lord in the air. We do not see anything in the text about it being a secret, silent affair, separate from the main action. It is part of the complex of events that occurs, on the Last Day.

Hmm. I'll play too. Do you believe this?:

that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Or this?:

Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

Surely you do. And yet, it throws a complete monkeywrench into the standard dispensational model.

You know (surely you do) about the principle that one interprets unclear passages in light of clear ones?

One more: And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

It means what it says.

you condemn both Calvin and Arminius, Augustine and Erasmus, Sproul and Charles Finney, Spurgeon, Hodge, Wesley brothers, Isaac Newton, Tyndale, Luther, Edwards, Whitefield, Barnes, J.I. Packer, B.B. Warfield

I'm not impressed with dead Bible deniers. Save that garbage for someone who cares.

You must have a sadly withered library. Whose on your shelves? Anybody beyone Chuck Missler, Dave Hunt, and Hal?

"Bible deniers"? Assuming you even know who those people are, that's beyond insane.


101 posted on 02/13/2011 8:16:45 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field; GiovannaNicoletta; The Theophilus; RJR_fan; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock

>>It’s God’s word. Yes, we most certainly believe it.<<

Ok, so let me get this straight. You believe that Jesus will come at the battle of Armageddon to destroy the armies of the world and at the same time we meet Him in the air to be with Him forever? Do we go after the battle, during the battle or what?


102 posted on 02/13/2011 8:25:09 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Rashputin; topcat54; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; ...
YET AGAIN, the contentions of the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al about the Johnny-come-lately Darby are proven thoroughly WRONG as ever.

Not only do they relentlessly assert false things about Darbying being the first to write about the Rapture and Dispensationalism [we've proven repeatedly he was not--the doc below is merely another such proof], they even brazenly insist that ALMIGHTY GOD doesn't keep HIS EVERLASTING PROMISES to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Talk about cheeky to the max! Let's see how many days/weeks/months/years go by before they post an apology for such brazen falsehoods.

from:

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/39/

Byzantine Text Discovery:

Ephraem The Syrian

by Chuck Missler

In recent years, many opponents of the pre-tribulation rapture view have made dogmatic assertions that this view was never taught before 1820 A.D.1 There have been attempts to attribute the origin of this view to John N. Darby.

Grant Jeffrey has found an ancient citation from a sermon ascribed to Ephraem of Nisibis (306-373 a.d.), which clearly teaches that believers will be raptured and taken to Heaven before The Tribulation.2

Ephraem of Nisibis was the most important and prolific of the Syrian church fathers and a witness to early Christianity on the fringes of the Roman Empire in the late fourth century.

He was well-known for his poetry, exegetical and theological writings, and many of the hymns of the early Byzantine church. So popular were his works that in the fifth and sixth centuries he was adopted by several Christian communities as a spiritual leader and role model.

This sermon is deemed to be one of the most interesting apocalyptic texts of the early Middle Ages. The translation of the sermon includes the following segment:3

"For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

This text was originally a sermon called On the Last Times, the Anti-christ, and the End of the World. There are four existing Latin manuscripts (the Parisinus, the Augiensis, the Barberini, and the St. Gallen) ascribed to St. Ephraem or to St. Isidore . Some scholars believe this text was written by some unknown writer in the sixth century and was derived from the original Ephraem.4

The sermon describes the events of the last days, beginning with the rapture, the Great Tribulation of 3 1/2 years duration under the Antichrist's rule, followed by the Second Coming of Christ. In Ephraem's book The Book of the Cave of Treasures, written about 370 A.D., he expressed his belief that the 69th week of Daniel ended with the rejection and crucifixion of Jesus the Messiah.5

This, of course, doesn't prove that the pre-tribulation view is correct; only that it was held (by some) in the early centuries and was not unique to the revival of the 1830's. It simply documents that this view was held by a remnant of the faithful from the beginning until today.

The validity of any view can only be measured by the Biblical text itself. For a more complete discussion of these issues, see our Audio Book, From Here to Eternity.

This article was originally published in the
June 1995 Personal Update NewsJournal.


**NOTES**

  1. George E. Ladd, The Blessed Hope, 1956;
    Robert H. Gundry, The Church and the Tribulation, 1973;
    John Bray, The Origin of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Teaching, 1980;
    Dave MacPherson, The Incredible Cover- Up, 1975, and The Great Rapture Hoax, 1983; are well-known examples.
    For a refutation of MacPherson's charges, see Thomas D. Ice, "Why the Doctrine of the Pretribulational Rapture did not begin with Margaret McDonald", Bibliotheca Sacra 147 (April-June 1990) p. 155-68.
  2. The citation was found in a footnote in Paul J. Alexander's The Byzantine Apocalyptic Tradition, University of California Press, Berkeley, CA, 1985, p. 210. Dr. Paul Alexander is probably the most authoritative scholar on the writings of the early Byzantine Church.
  3. The English translation of the Latin text in C.P. Caspari's Briefe, Abhandlungen und Predigten aus den zwei letzten Jahrhunderten des kirchlichen Altertums und dem Anfang des Mittelater (Christiania, 1890, pp. 208-20) was provided by Cameron Rhoades, instructor of Latin at Tyndale Theological Seminary, Ft. Worth, TX.
  4. For a complete discussion, see "The Rapture and Pseudo-Ephraem: An Early Medieval Citation", by Thomas D. Ice and Timothy J. Demy, to be published in Bibliotheca Sacra, July-September 1995.
    Also, Grant Jeffrey, Rush to Judgment, Frontier Research Books, Toronto, Canada, 1995.
  5. The Book of the Cave of Treasures, p. 235, as quoted by Grant Jeffrey in private correspondence.

103 posted on 02/13/2011 8:42:16 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Rashputin

I’m looking too.

May end up phoning Impe or the Deo’s, if I can.

Have written the Deo’s before with no response. They are reportedly beseiged with emails etc. routinely.

So, fine, lay the Dead Sea Scrolls one aside.

The post I just posted documented such writings about the Rapture back to 300 something AD.

Y’all are still terminally WRONG.


104 posted on 02/13/2011 8:47:09 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RFEngineer

I thought engineers were better at analyses than that.


105 posted on 02/13/2011 8:48:09 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: CynicalBear
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Sounds like
you might expect them to post
UNBIBLICAL, UNHISTORICAL GARBAGE
AND
be logical too!
FOTFLOL!

106 posted on 02/13/2011 8:51:39 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I’m not sure what they believe, if they even know, other then that they aren’t ready for Jesus to come and want to take over the world and have success here.


107 posted on 02/13/2011 8:56:56 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Lee N. Field
"Bible deniers"? Assuming you even know who those people are, that's beyond insane.

Calling William Tyndale, the scholar, the father of bible translation to the laity and sadly, martyr strangled and burned at the stake for his faith - a "Bible Denier".
The Dysfunctionalists are indeed heretical.

quod erat demonstrandum

108 posted on 02/13/2011 9:05:42 PM PST by The Theophilus
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To: CynicalBear

INDEED.


109 posted on 02/13/2011 9:11:19 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Lee N. Field; GiovannaNicoletta; topcat54; RJR_fan; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Let's see how many days/weeks/months/years go by before they post an apology for such brazen falsehoods.

Good job Quix. We can now officially brand you "Heretic". Did you even bother to read the source materials for that article? Here you just take any article written by any fool that you just happens to agree with, and you swallow the poisoned Kool-Aid down in one big gulp.Here is one of the documents listed in the bibliography If you were capable of reading and had any sort of personal dignity you would quickly distance yourself from these early mystics and gnostics whose doctrines were already condemned by the Apostles. One of them, the Shepherd of Hemas, reads like a Joseph Smith on some real bad LSD - I'm sure you will quickly latch on to that demonic vision since it clearly supports your Dysfunctionalism. What a heritage! Demonic dreams!

But lets take a look at Ephraim the Syrian:

We ought to understand thoroughly therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. . . . Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Jesus Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? . . . For all the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.

I'm sure it read better in the original. Nevertheless the author makes some rather interesting claims from this text.

The Pseudo Ephraim text in English is a fascinating read. Strangely, for an allegedly Dispensational teaching, there doesn't appear to be a Millennium earthly or otherwise. Maybe that trivial event slipped his mind while he was busy writing a vivid description of what ultimately became yet another failed prophecy by the Futurists.

And it appears that your Dysfunctional Forefather also strongly recommended a Defeatist Attitude. All was lost! Don't work! Don't participate in the culture! Hunker down and let the world go to Hell! Being Salt & Light is for chumps not the Losers we were destined to be!

Embrace your Heretical Heritage Quix! It fits you like leather bondage gear!

This latest gem is priceless, I'll be laughing at you for weeks.

110 posted on 02/13/2011 9:52:54 PM PST by The Theophilus
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


111 posted on 02/13/2011 10:19:04 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix; Rashputin; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
RASHPUTIN, Perhaps your understanding of the scrolls is not as tidy or complete as you seem to assume . . .

FROM [Some increased Quixicated paragraphing for easier reading]:

http://www.according2prophecy.org/8colleague.html

The Eschatology of Dead Sea Scrolls
According To Prophecy Ministries & Evangelist Perkins, brings you articles from some of his colleagues in Bible Prophecy. He has also included the email addresses of the authors at the bottom of their articles, please email the authors and let them know what you think of their articles".
By: Dr. Randall Price

"This material is composed of biblical texts, commentaries on biblical texts, aprochyphal and pseudepigraphal texts, sectarian and ritualistic documents, and apocalyptic literature. Every book of the Old Testament is represented, except Esther, although there is evidence it too was known."




The more than 800 documents discovered in caves in the vicinity of the Dead Sea have been commonly referred to as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

This material is composed of biblical texts, commentaries on biblical texts,aprochyphal and pseudepigraphal texts, sectarian and ritualistic documents, and apocalyptic literature. Every book of the Old Testament is represented, except Esther, although there is evidence it too was known. The community that preserved this collection (generally thought to have resided at the site of Qumran in the Judean desert) represented a type of Messianic Judaism more closely related to early Jewish Christianity than the Jewish sects encountered in the New Testament.

The eschatology of the sect was consistent with mainstream Judaism (see Eschatology, Jewish), but where more traditional groups played down apocalyptic expectations, they were the sect's characteristic feature.

This led Israeli scholar Shemaryahu Talmon to classify them as "the most decidedly millenarian movement in Second Temple Judaism and possibly in antiquity altogether, Christianity included." Their apocalyptic literature presents not only the eschatological perspective the community, but perhaps that of an earlier post-exilic community as well.

As such, it offers us an unparalleled glimpse into the eschatological setting of Jesus and the New Testament writers, who while not dependent upon such literature, wrote within a context that was familiar with this world view.

Their eschatological interpretations are preserved in commentaries they wrote on Old Testament books (e.g. Psalms, Prophets) and in their sectarian documents (e.g., Damascus Document, War Scroll). The form of their interpretation is called pesher because this noun is used frequently in the scrolls themselves for the “interpretation” of a raz, an Aramaic term for “mystery.”

The pesher developed through the prophetic influence of the Book of Daniel as a special means of reconstructing the hidden history revealed to the prophets concerning the end of time, but reserved in mystery form for the generation upon whom the end would come.

The sect's eschatology is derived from its understanding of human history as being built up in stages determined by God and linked together to move toward an inevitable goal, the eschaton. This defined order of the ages that unfolds progressively and successively in predetermined periods of time The order of these ages according to 4Q180 (The Ages of Creation) consecutively enumerates these periods beginning with the time prior to the creation of man (cf. CD 2:7; 1QS 3:15-18; 1QH 1:8-12).

The history of mankind is traced from the Creation (1QS 4:15-17) and leads up to the eschaton or the "latter generation" or the "end-time," finally culminating in the "Latter Days" (QpHab 4:1-2, 7-8, 10-14; cf. 2:5-7). This culminating period also looks forward in its description of this age ending the era of wickedness as "the decreed epoch of new things" (1QS 4:25; cf. Dan. 9:26-27; 11:35-36; Isa. 10:23; 28:22; 43:19).

The dividing point of this order of the ages is the destruction of the First Temple (586 B.C.), with ages preceding it termed "the generations of wickedness," and those that follow after (the post-destruction/post-exilic period) as "the generations of the Latter Days."

The pesent age of wickedness will escalate until the final conflict between the "sons of darkness" and the "sons of light." According to the War Scroll the final age was to be preceded by a period of tribulation or "birth pangs [of the Messiah]" (1QH 3:7-10), which "shall be a time of salvation for the People of God …" (1QM 1).

Central to this coming age of conflict is the image of eschatological evil rulers and deceivers (counterparts to the true Messiah). In Dead Sea texts which depict this period of great spiritual declension of Israel, the apostasy is said to be spearheaded by a figure refer to as "Belial" and a "son of Belial."

The term appears also in the New Testament at 2 Cor. 6:15. In other texts, this figure is called “son/man of sin” (cf. CD 6:15; 13:14; 1QS 9:16; 10:19). This expression is quite similar to an expression found in the Pauline description of the eschatological desecrator, the Antichrist, in 2 Thess. 2:3b.

It is complemented by another term “son of iniquity” in 1QS 3:21, which is comparable to the phrase “the man of lawlessness” paired with "man of sin" in 2 Thess. 2:3. Even the phrase “the mystery of lawlessness," found only at 2 Thess. 2:7, has an almost identical expression at Qumran: "the mystery of iniquity" (1QH 5:36; 50:5.

In addition, Hebrew University professor of Second Temple Judaism, David Flusser claims to identify an Antichrist figure (a wicked king who calls himself the "son of God") in the late first--century B.C. Aramaic pseudo-Daniel fragment 4Q24.

In his opinion it proves that the idea of Antichrist is pre-Christian and clearly of Jewish origin.

According to the scrolls, the present age was also to see the imminent visitation of Elijah as the precussor of Messiah (4Q521) and the advent of the Messiah.

The Messiah of the Dead Sea Scrolls is clearly eschatological. His coming is at "the end of days," and is royal (Davidic), priestly (Aaronic), and prophetic (Mosaic) in nature. It may be that the sect envisioned two or three messiahs, and such interpretive confusion is understandable in light of the developing messianism of Second Temple Judaism. Nevertheless, the application of Old Testament messianic texts in the Scrolls appears to have predominately combined the messianic offices in one person, and this is the Jewish theology reflected in the Gospels (cf. Matt. 2:4-6; 22:42; Mk. 14:61; Lk. 2:25-38; 3:15; Jn. 6:14; 7:27, 31; 12:34).

After the Messiah had defeated all of Israel's enemies, and slain the wicked (the correct interpretation of 4Q285) in the great 40 year (Gog and Magog) war (cf. 1QM; 4QpIsaa 7-10; 22-25; 4QpIsab 2:1; 4Cantenab 3:7-8), at the Day of the Lord (4Q558), a time of redemption would come with a universal peace; men would live a thousand generations, evil would be destroyed, and an ideal world will come about.

The sect apparently expected to build an interim Third Temple in Jerusalem at some point and had blueprints preserved in a Temple Scroll (11QT). Perhaps the means to build this Temple was to be funded from a vast treasure (considered Temple treasure), which they hidden throughout the Land.

The locations for this treasure they preserved with a catalogue of items on a Copper Scroll (3Q15). They also held that a final Temple (the "New Temple") would be built by Messiah for the Age to Come (cf. Zech. 6:12-13).

One problematic characteristic of their eschatology was their conviction that the precise dates of prophetic events could be determined. They believed that their “Teacher of Righteousness” was inspired by the Holy Spirit to properly discern the hidden timetable of the Last Days.

Just as Daniel had reinterpreted Jeremiah’s prophecy of the seventy-year exile (Jer. 25:1) to encompass the greater “seventy weeks of years” (Dan. 9:24-27), so the “Teacher of Righteousness” reinterpreted various prophetic passages from the Old Testament and reapplied them to the situation of his day. Based on this method of interpretation, they expected the coming of the Messiah would take place between 3 B.C.E. and 2 A.D. When their predictions failed, the Community seems to have not attempted further calculations, but apparently reformulated their eariler expectations to accommodate a divine postponement or delayed judgment, although some may also have adopted a more militaristic posture that saw the urgent need for intervention to bring about the next age.

The Dead Sea Scrolls offer to us a window into the eschatological world-view of Jesus and the New Testament. Their eschatology followed a literal interpretation of prophetic texts, a numerological calculation of temporal indicators in judgment pronouncements, and understood a postponement of the final age while not abandoning their hope of it. In many ways their eschatology was not dissimilar from modern Christian premillennialism, and reveals that as a system of interpretation, premillennialism is more closely aligned to the first-century Jewish context than competing eschatological systems.



Bibliography

F.F. Bruce, Biblical Exegesis in the Qumran Texts (London: The Tyndale Press, 1959),
John Marco Allegro, The Treasure of the Copper Scroll (New York: Doubleday, 1960),

Johann Maier, The Temple Scroll: An Introduction, Translation & Commentary. Journal for the Study of the Old Testament Supplement Series 34. eds. David J.A. Clines, Philip R. Davies (Sheffield: JSOT Press, 1985),

David Flusser, Judaism and the Origis of Christianity (Jerusalem: The Magnes Press, 1988), and

The Spiritual History of the Dead Sea Sect (Tel-Aviv: Mod Books, 1989), Shemaryahu Talmon,

The World of Qumran from Within (Jerusalem: The Magnes Press, 1989),

James H. Charlesworth, Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Anchor Bible Reference Library (New York: Doubleday, 1992),

Hershel Shanks, ed., Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls (New York: Random House, 1992),

Florentino Garcia Martinez, Qumran and Apocalyptic: Studies on the Aramaic Texts from Qumran. Studies on the Texts of the Desert of Judah 10. eds. F. Garcia Martinez, A.S. Van Der Woude (Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1992),

Eugene Ulrich and James VanderKam, eds. The Community of the Renewed Covenant. Christianty and Judaism in Antiquity Series 10 (Indiana: The University of Notre Dame Press, 1994),

Lawrence H. Schiffman, Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls (New York: Doubleday, 1995),

Helmer Ringgren, The Faith of Qumran: Theology of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Expanded edition (New York: Crossroad, 1995),

John J. Collins, The Scepter and the Star: The Messiahs of the Dead Sea Scrolls and Other Ancient Literature. The Anchor Reference Library (New York: Doubleday, 1995),

J. Randall Price, Secrets of the Dead Sea Scrolls (Eugene, Oregon: Harvest House, 1996).




Dr. J. Randall Price
is the Author of In Search of Temple Treasures and Ready to Rebuild and has appeared on the nationally televised CBS special "Ancient Secrets of the Bible." He is president of World of the Bible Ministries, Inc. He is a Th.M. graduate of Dallas Tehological Seminary and holds a Ph.D. in Hebrew Languages and Literature from the University of Texas at Austin and is personally acquainted with many leading figures in Scroll research.


Dr. Randall Price has just release his latest video entitled Secrets of the Dead Sea Scrolls. This video is a companion to his book by the same name. If you would like to order or learn more about this book and video you can contact Dr. Price at his mailing address or Email him below. Also let him know what you think of his articles.

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112 posted on 02/13/2011 10:28:47 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Theophilus

None of your hostile and personally assaultive assertions are the point.

The point was . . .

that DARBY WAS A JOHNY COME LATELY WITH THE IDEA.

The documention I provided DEMONSTRATED THAT

THAT

ASSERTION

WAS UNMITIGATED HOGWASH.

The other issues are not relevant to that point and purpose of my post.

However, I’m not surprised that those of the REPLACEMENTARIAN PERSPECTIVE grope and scratch until they can come up with an excuse to be personally assaultive in harsh, irrational, UnBiblical, absurd terms.

Carry on, if you wish. I’m sure God is quite impressed.

/s


113 posted on 02/13/2011 10:32:41 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: topcat54; CynicalBear
Are you saying CynicalBear is Catholic now?? Welcome hom CB!!

And, TC -- hey!! Fiddler on the Roof is one of my favorite musicals, along with Singing in the rain, On the Town (can't beat Gene Kelly!)

Tradition! Tradition!!

Btw, do you remember the bottle song? I just saw it actually danced live over the weekend, and they encouraged us to try. I did and fell splat :-P --> luckily it was a plastic bottle for us beginners!!
114 posted on 02/14/2011 12:08:36 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: topcat54; The Theophilus

Be careful — you’re going to get a number of silly picture posts from the quixotical and lexically challenged ones — they can’t argue so they will post silly pictures and try to insult you.


115 posted on 02/14/2011 12:42:18 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: topcat54; The Theophilus

oops — too late, you’ve been invaded by the picture snatchers, the nuts who can’t debate so will post pictures of llamas to cow you down!


116 posted on 02/14/2011 12:46:05 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Quix; topcat54

Quix — question: do you think you are a psychiatrist to guess that?


117 posted on 02/14/2011 12:46:44 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: metmom; topcat54
disclaimer: I have no dogma/opinion on whether there is / isn't a rapture

Firstly -- in the "rapture", only those who believe that Jesus Christ is God will be taken up. Metmom, I gave you a number of links that proved this, did you happen to read them?

Secondly -- is this strictly sola scriptura? How does a sola-scriptura advocate hold to a non-scriptura thing?

Thirdly -- Rapture by Blondie was the ultimate in cool.
118 posted on 02/14/2011 1:08:15 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: freedumb2003; topcat54; Quix
freed: Isn’t there a blue pill for that nowadays?

Perhaps the doctor should recommend it to the multi-picture posters? They seem to desperately need it, along with a pill for dyslexia and schizophrenia.
119 posted on 02/14/2011 1:10:36 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: topcat54; Quix
Tc -- where exactly does the Dead-Sea-Scrolls say what the ufo-worshippers pretend they say?

And do these folks hold to sola scriptura as well?
120 posted on 02/14/2011 1:21:55 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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