"Never apologize for the
Blessed Virgin Mary!"
~~Mother Angelica
Open Discussion is a good thing!
she wasnt a real Catholic
in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
That is just stupid, I'm sorry. Are we really to believe she didn't know the difference between Mary and God?
All I really need to say in response to this is found in Luke 1:48: All generations to come shall call me blessed.
As the Challoner Douay-Rheims commentary tartly put it 200 years ago, Let the Protestants consider whether they are in any way envisioned in this prophecy.
Jesus on Mary:
Mathew 12
47Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Here is a true story. I lived in MA for over two decades. I lived across the street from a woman who was born Catholic, attended parochial school and Catholic college, taught parochial school all her life, and worked an unpaid position in the local Catholic Church after her retirement.
One day, in the midst of a long drought, I happened to be visiting this woman. I noticed that her statue of Mary had its back to the kitchen, whereas I recalled it usually faced the room. I asked the woman if she wanted me to turn the statue around.
She said no, she wanted the blessed virgin to face the yard, so she could see how brown and dry it was, and send rain.
I have never forgotten that.
Why is it that Catholics from Norway, Canada or Australia never seem to have such visions?
Even so, a proper understanding of the Saints, including Mary, clearly makes the distinction between Deity and Saintly members of the Faithful.
I think you display some conflict, in your own post.
I also think it is important to note that there really was NO BIBLE in the first 300 or so years of the Church, that nobody alive at the time of Jesus even envisioned a Bible, as Christianity was an oral tradition at that time, and that “Bible Worship” among some Protestants is every bit as bad as “Mary Worship” among some Catholics.
The most entertaining thing to me about the cult of mary, is that they with a straight face, they’ll say the mormons are insane for trying to say Jesus popped down to talk to the indians. Yet,,,, mary showed up in a cane in mexico city and told an indian they were all supposed to be catholic.
The Church has not officially taught that Mary is to be worshiped. Mary rather is to be honored and her intercession with Jesus and God sought.
I think this nun needs more education before she writes.
mark
Catholics do NOT worship Mary. Instead we ask her to pray for us.
Haven’t you ever asked anyone to pray for you?
"Never apologize for the
Blessed Virgin Mary!"
~~Mother Angelica
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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
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When I cite the Catechism I will give paragraph numbers rather than page numbers.
I will summarize what it says.
Her summaries and writings are, at best, disingenuous and many are outright lies. Anyone who accepts her opinion and distorions of Catholic teaching as fact is a gullible fool.
II. Devotion to the Blessed Virgin
971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."513 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs.... This very special devotion ... differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."514 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.515(emphasis added)
513 Lk 1:48; Paul VI, MC 56.
514 LG 66.
515 Cf. Paul VI, MC 42; SC 103.
In addition "Mary Ann Collins", if she even exists:
Will the real Mary Ann Collins please stand up?
was never a nun. She spent two years in a convent as a postulant and a novice and according to her biography, was asked to leave.
Those are facts that you must deal with.
This is the bottom line.. Catholics pray exactly the same to God and to Mary .. but they are taught it is different ... one is worship and one is veneration.. but the words and practices are exactly the same.. the only difference is the word they use to describe it
I seem to recall this source as being debunked before. Isn’t she one of Pastor Brewster’s followers?
Mary Ann Collins
Description of Mary Ann Collins
Background
Mary Ann Collins is known within Fundamentalist churches as a former Catholic nun who is an expert on Catholicism. She produces several self-published books and runs CatholicConcerns.com - an often-referenced website among those who seek to refute Catholicism as a false religion. Mary Ann Collins crafted a biography which can also be read on her website.
Suspect History
Mary Ann Collins’ history is questioned by Protestants and Catholics alike, as she would be in a long line of Fake Nuns.
Was she a nun?
Mary Ann Collins considers herself a former nun although she never took her vows. On all her publications and websites, she lists herself as, “Mary Ann Collins: Former Catholic Nun”. She admits she was expelled from the convent she attended but the religious order or convent she attended remains mysterious. She refuses to say where she attended and no one has admitted that Mary Ann Collins attended a convent even as a novice.
From her biography:
NUNS AND NOVICES
I was in religious life for a little over two years. I was a novice but I never made vows. A novice is someone who has entered a religious order and has been given a habit. He or she undergoes training and “religious formation” in preparation for taking vows. (There are novice monks as well as novice nuns.)
Some people have asked me why I call myself a former nun when I never made vows. According to “The Catholic Encyclopedia,” if a monk or a nun has been accepted by a religious order (which I was) and has been given a religious habit (which I wore), then he or she is a monk or a nun in the broad sense of the term. Note 1 So I refer to myself as a former nun.
NOTE 1. “Novice” in the 1913 edition of “The Catholic Encyclopedia,” Volume XI. This article is available on-line. The term “novice” refers to both monks and nuns who go through a period of training and preparation. In Section II, “Juridical Condition,” the article states that a novice in a religious order is a “regular” in the widest sense of the word. (A “regular” is a technical term for a monk or a nun.)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11144a.htm
NOTE The article often speaks of “he” when modern usage would be to say “he or she”. Section I, “Definition and Requirements,”specifically mentions nuns. And it gives instructions regarding married women who want to become nuns. So the article is about both novice monks and novice nuns.
Changing Biography
Mary Ann Collins revised her biography on at least three occasions, one of which is not acknowledged on her website from 2001. See the changes - additionally, see the forum topic Is Mary Ann Collins real?
Knowledge of Catholicism
The following is a biography as listed on her book, “Freedom from Catholicism” on Amazon.com:
Mary Ann Collins is a former Catholic nun who spent many years in the Catholic Church, studying its teachings and traditions. After a period of seeing many distressing contradictions to Scripture, she eventually left the Catholic Church and joined her parents’ church which was founded on solid, scripturally-based teaching. In so doing, she found the relationship with God that she had been hungering for all her life.
Many consider this to be misleading. Mary Ann Collins, though, admits she only spent two years as a novice and never grew up Catholic in her biography that she wrote on her website
No Information
Besides Mary Ann Collins’ writings, there is no personal data about her. She has never given an interview, no one has admitted knowing her or seeing her or even having an e-mail dialogue with her. No one knows where she lives or what she does for a living. See the forum topic Is Mary Ann Collins real?
A plausible hypothesis is that Mary Ann Collins does not exist; that she’s a fictional character to give credibility to her anti-Catholic writings.