If you want to believe in baptism of blood, there is nothing wrong with that, as far as I'm concerned. BUT, you'd be a rare liberal if that is all that you want to make of baptism of blood. So, where are you going with this?
re: Try explaining Saint Genesius of Arles who was declared baptized by Martyrdom
The martyrology is in error, he had received the sacrament of baptism. Maryrolgies are fallible. There's my answer. To think otherwise, one would have to believe that God preordained like 5 martyrs to be saved without baptism (and He preordained thousands of others of every type to be brought back from the dead just to be baptized). We would have to believe that God goes has to go against his own dogma that one must be baptized:
Council of Trent. Seventh Session. March, 1547. Decree on the Sacraments. On Baptism
Canon 5. If any one saith, that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.
(P. S. - Baptism of desire is not a sacrament.)
Anyhow, I answered your questions about baptism of blood, WHICH DOES NOT AFFECT numerically speaking practically ANYONE which you liberals are saved outside of the Church.
Here's St. Augustine:
St. Augustine: “If you wish to be a Catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that ‘they whom the Lord has predestinated for baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.’ There is in such a dogma more power than I can tell assigned to chances in opposition to the power of God, by the occurrence of which casualties that which He has predestinated is not permitted to come to pass. It is hardly necessary to spend time or earnest words in cautioning the man who takes up with this error against the absolute vortex of confusion into which it will absorb him, when I shall sufficiently meet the case if I briefly warn the prudent man who is ready to receive correction against the threatening mischief.” (On the Soul and Its Origin 3, 13)
Correction:
Anyhow, I answered your questions about baptism of blood, WHICH DOES NOT AFFECT numerically speaking practically ANYONE which you liberals think are saved outside of the Church.
“Today you shall be with me in paradise”
Was the thief on the cross baptised? Was he saved?
Baptism of desire is scriptural. I agree with you that it is important that all those who believe in Christ ought be baptized, but the practice in the early church is not where it is now. Many were baptised before they died.
What’s your issue with converts, btw? All this sedevacantist nonsense is no different than what Luther, or Calvin did 500 years ago. You simply don’t want to submit to the pope, anymore than Luther or Calvin. Same motivation, different time.
STF-””Try explaining Saint Genesius of Arles who was declared baptized by Martyrdom””
Ver-The martyrology is in error, he had received the sacrament of baptism.
Prove it? Your wrong! There are others as well.
Ver-”Anyhow, I answered your questions about baptism of blood, WHICH DOES NOT AFFECT numerically speaking practically ANYONE which you liberals are saved outside of the Church”
Is this going to be the new mission of the Feeney crowd now- to start a crusade to remove Saint Genesius of Arles and others from Sainthood ?
Also, I never said there is no Salvation outside the Church,dear brother and I adhere to the defined teachings of the Church on these matters which is in the DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION LUMEN GENTIUM regarding the invincibly ignorant who follow the law of love,thus not making me liberal at all,but one who is obedient to the Church,unlike Feeney. We have been through this already.
Salvation comes through the Church through a mystical connection through God’s grace
From Lumen Gentium and Dominius Lesus(AGAIN!)
Lumen Gentium-DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html
Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19*) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.(20*) She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life.
And from Dominus Iesus written by Cardinal Ratzinger before he became Pope Benedict XVI...
The Church is the “universal sacrament of salvation”,79 since, united always in a mysterious way to the Saviour Jesus Christ, her Head, and subordinated to him, she has, in God’s plan, an indispensable relationship with the salvation of every human being.80
For those who are not formally and visibly members of the Church, “salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church, but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit”;81 it has a relationship with the Church, which “according to the plan of the Father, has her origin in the mission of the Son and the Holy Spirit”.82
Feeney’s antisemitism written in his own articles at the below link ought to trouble you regarding him,ver
http://fatherfeeney.org/point/index.html