Ver-””no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) “”
Pope Eugine was obviously not defining special circumstances,ver.
Try explaining Saint Genesius of Arles who was declared baptized by Martyrdom
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=5868
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“He requested baptism from a bishop, but for some unknown reason the prelate declined his petition, telling him that his likely martyrdom would obtain for him the baptism of desire. The bishop may have been in prison at the time and hence unable to baptize Genesius, but it is also possible that he refused out of cowardice. In any event, Genesius soon afterward suffered martyrdom by beheading
There is also Saint Victor of Braga who was merited baptism by his blood through martyrdom by refusing to worship and Idol and professing his love for Christ.
Are you prepared to go against Church teaching and deny that some canonized Saints are not in heaven?
Sorry, I pinged marsh-mellow to #102 and meant to ping you
To all:
Interesting article on the question of “extra ecclesiam nulla salus” and Fr. Feeney and how he as a Priest elevated his personal opinion of Papal texts to the only correct orthodox interpretation.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/extreccl.htm
Now, I have no axe to grind with Traditionalist and hope that all of the SSPX reconcile with Rome and am glad that Fr. Feeney’s followers have reconciled with Rome. However, I would think that they should at least admit that the current Catchesim of the Catholic Church has also addressed the question of “Outside of th CHurch their is no salvation” and that Catechism does not seem to get mentioned on that “Slave of the Immaculate Hearts of Mary” website that Verdugo has linked.
If you want to believe in baptism of blood, there is nothing wrong with that, as far as I'm concerned. BUT, you'd be a rare liberal if that is all that you want to make of baptism of blood. So, where are you going with this?
re: Try explaining Saint Genesius of Arles who was declared baptized by Martyrdom
The martyrology is in error, he had received the sacrament of baptism. Maryrolgies are fallible. There's my answer. To think otherwise, one would have to believe that God preordained like 5 martyrs to be saved without baptism (and He preordained thousands of others of every type to be brought back from the dead just to be baptized). We would have to believe that God goes has to go against his own dogma that one must be baptized:
Council of Trent. Seventh Session. March, 1547. Decree on the Sacraments. On Baptism
Canon 5. If any one saith, that baptism is optional, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.
(P. S. - Baptism of desire is not a sacrament.)
Anyhow, I answered your questions about baptism of blood, WHICH DOES NOT AFFECT numerically speaking practically ANYONE which you liberals are saved outside of the Church.
Here's St. Augustine:
St. Augustine: “If you wish to be a Catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that ‘they whom the Lord has predestinated for baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.’ There is in such a dogma more power than I can tell assigned to chances in opposition to the power of God, by the occurrence of which casualties that which He has predestinated is not permitted to come to pass. It is hardly necessary to spend time or earnest words in cautioning the man who takes up with this error against the absolute vortex of confusion into which it will absorb him, when I shall sufficiently meet the case if I briefly warn the prudent man who is ready to receive correction against the threatening mischief.” (On the Soul and Its Origin 3, 13)
“If you wish to be a Catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that ‘they whom the Lord has predestinated for baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.’ There is in such a dogma more power than I can tell assigned to chances in opposition to the power of God, by the occurrence of which casualties that which He has predestinated is not permitted to come to pass. It is hardly necessary to spend time or earnest words in cautioning the man who takes up with this error against the absolute vortex of confusion into which it will absorb him, when I shall sufficiently meet the case if I briefly warn the prudent man who is ready to receive correction against the threatening mischief.” (On the Soul and Its Origin 3, 13)