[caww]

You are dropping the ball Cronos...big time here. Might do well to study up on Middle Eastern woman compared to Western woman...thus you would understand the verses you have posted.

[Cronos]

oh, I've studied up on Middle-Eastern women -- I lived in Bahrain for some time and Oman for long periods and visited Lebanon quite a bit, and I have Irani roots (ok, ok, Iranis are not Arabs but Aryans)

This is what Lebanese women look like




Jordanian women and more especially SYRIAN women also have it comparable to parts of the West (no bikinis though) -- and ask one of these to be submissive and you'll get a Kobus hit over the head!!

Irani women really run the house too, even in the repressed countryside --> among the many reasons why Iranis are Shias and not Sunnis (more flexibility and acceptance of local cultures).

i'll agree with you about Saudi women -- they are treated like dogs, but then even the Gulf Arabs hate the Sauds and consider them barbarians.

My question still holds --> if one says they obey the NT completely, then it says 1 Tim 2:11 11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission.? --> that question was to metmom
Also, if you check up on history you will see that Paul was writing his letter to Anatolian women, Greeks, Romans, Lydians etc. -- all Indo-Europeans.....