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To: smvoice; bkaycee; boatbums; one Lord one faith one baptism
Yup, so Paul was sent to preach and others were sent to baptise -- as the Bible says, we each have our own gifts.

Our Lord tied the forgiveness of sins to faith and Baptism: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved."

Mk 16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Romans 6:4
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Col 2:12.
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
We believe we are united with Christ by baptism and nourished by the Eucharist.

Our Lord voluntarily submitted himself to the baptism of St. John, intended for sinners, in order to "fulfill all righteousness (Matt 3:15) The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation (John 3:5)
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament (Mark 16:16). The different effects of Baptism are signified by the perceptible elements of the sacramental rite. Immersion in water symbolizes not only death and purification, but also regeneration and renewal. Thus the two principal effects are purification from sins and new birth in the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
From the catechism
You can't argue that scripture explicitly says Repent and be baptised and "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." --> again, a very clear statement, just like that of the Eucharist.
813 posted on 02/07/2011 9:21:28 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Yup, so Paul was sent to preach and others were sent to baptise -- as the Bible says, we each have our own gifts.

That's your answer? That Paul preached and someone else had the GIFT to baptise? What, did Paul carry around a baptizer with him?

Cronos...I gave you way more credit than that for Bible study. "Yup" somehow seems appropriate coming from you now.

816 posted on 02/07/2011 9:31:43 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Cronos; All
Here you can see that Cronos and the Roman Catholic's have failed to RIGHTLY DIVIDE the WORD OF TRUTH:

The Apostle PAUL says to FOLLOW Paul, WHO FOLLOWS Christ Jesus. The RC follows Peter and the Pope...not Paul...

Paul was NOT sent to Baptize. 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ send me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel... In Acts 2:38 Peter reply is correct: for Peter here is primarily preaching to JEWS.

BUT Baptism is NOT an ordinance for salvation today. Even Peter understood that Paul was correct (see 2 Peter 3:15-17).

If the RC quote Scriptures like Mk 16:15-16 & Romans 6:4 & Col 2:12: 2 Peter 3:16 they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

They take these Scriptures, especially Romans 6:4 & Col 2:12, out of context to support baptism for today: Mk 16:15-16, Romans 6:4, Col 2:12 - do NOT support correctly rightly dividing the truth for baptism for today. Let me explain just one major mistake they make in Romans 6:4:

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism (SPIRITUAL baptism, NOT water) into death

Even Christ Jesus speaks of a SPIRITUAL baptism in the Gospels (see Gospel of John 1:33: the same is HE that baptizeth in the Holy Spirit [this is NOT water baptism]). Romans 6:4 is NOT water baptism: it is ONLY spiritual baptism BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. The Holy Spirit DOES NOT WATER baptize anyone in this age of the Grace of God!

Baptism was an Old Testament ordinance FOR THE Jews ONLY, evident since Jesus WAS SENT [first] to the Jews to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom: which was clearly taught in all the Old Testament Scriptures [which were given us us all BY GOD, not by man, not by RC].

Neither can the Roman Catholic's rightly understand Colossians 1:18: And HE [CHRIST] is the HEAD of the BODY, THE CHURCH: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things HE might have the preeminence.

Christ is to have ALL preeminence and glory and honor, God does not share HIS not preeminence and glory with some religious organization that fails to follow and understand the ministry of PAUL!


CRONOS post:

so Paul was sent to preach and others were sent to baptise -- as the Bible says, we each have our own gifts.

Our Lord tied the forgiveness of sins to faith and Baptism: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved."

Mk 16:15-16 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Col 2:12. having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. We believe we are united with Christ by baptism and nourished by the Eucharist.

Our Lord voluntarily submitted himself to the baptism of St. John, intended for sinners, in order to "fulfill all righteousness (Matt 3:15) The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation (John 3:5) 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament (Mark 16:16). The different effects of Baptism are signified by the perceptible elements of the sacramental rite. Immersion in water symbolizes not only death and purification, but also regeneration and renewal. Thus the two principal effects are purification from sins and new birth in the Holy Spirit

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

From the catechism

You can't argue that scripture explicitly says Repent and be baptised and "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." --> again, a very clear statement, just like that of the Eucharist.

862 posted on 02/07/2011 1:56:29 PM PST by bibletruth
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