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To: Quix; Cronos
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony and concerns, dear brother in Christ!

In all the church sex scandals it bothers me most that people in a position of authority and responsibility obviously do not take God seriously.

If they really believed God - or at least loved Him - they could not have done such things in the first place.

I also hold the unpopular view that the victims should never have brought civil lawsuits to recover their damages. The ones who actually end up paying damages for the sinful behavior and the poor judgment of those who appointed them into the positions or kept them there are not them but the ordinary church members.

More importantly, we Christians are to resolve our problems amongst ourselves not in a secular court of law.

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren. - I Corinthians 6:1-8

So neither the perps nor their authorities take God seriously. And sadly, evidently neither do their victims.

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

812 posted on 02/07/2011 9:21:11 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; Cronos

***In all the church sex scandals it bothers me most that people in a position of authority and responsibility obviously do not take God seriously.***

For a Middle Age view of the clergy read THE DECAMERON by Giovanni Boccaccio.

One of the tales are so close to porn my copy would not print the tale in English but reverted to Italian.


817 posted on 02/07/2011 9:38:33 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix

my point is that there are 98% who didnot do wrong and to blame them for the sins of the evil 2% is wrong. Also, do note the timeline in the 60s-70s —> this is not an excuse as those in authority should have acted quickly to throw them out, like they did in the 80s onwards and now there is even more stringent tests to ensure the gays do not creep in again. The pinko threat is facing all Churches — and they have overplayed their hand by the havoc they have wreaked on the ECUSA, PCUSA and now the ELCA — I mourn these, but see it as a wake-up call for the rest of us. This is not to gloat but to learn from the mistakes and we have learnt — there is a closing in to orthodoxy, throwing out the leniency that crept in in the 60s and 70s. Those in the 60s-70s with the wishy-washy era were told by psychiatric “experts” that a month’s “treatement in a clinic” could “cure” these and they foolishly believed that — but as pastors, as shepherds, they have no right to be fools.


820 posted on 02/07/2011 9:44:15 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Alamo-Girl

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%

And my family has always lived that way and we have lost 100’s of thousands of dollars accordingly. And almost the farm.

Nevertheless, I still believe . . . God will repay

the good and the bad.


835 posted on 02/07/2011 11:00:30 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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