[Quix]

NOPE.

NO SALE.

I’ve behaved quite charitably repeatedly toward a number of RC’s on FR.

EVERY BLESSED TIME,

The snarky ones show up and start spewing virulent hostility, hate, condescension, arrogance, spiteful vengeful bitterness etc. etc. etc.

from the beginning of my first days on FR.

I have periodically again and again tried to cultivate civil, polite, mutually respectful exchanges.

EVERY TIME some member of variouis RC Rabid Cliques on FR would quickly shred all such hope with their arrogant and personally assaultive postings.

The only possible conclusion I’m left with after 10+ years of such is that it is

INSTITUTIONALIZED MENTALITIES THAT WE ARE RELENTLESSLY CONFRONTED WITH.

The attitudes are part and parcel of the heretical, idolatrous, blasphemous, ARROGANT INSTITUTIONALIZED HORRIFIC HOGWASH so overtly spewed from every Vatican tower and output.

I rarely find a shred of

—honesty
—objectivity
—insight
—candor
—integrity
—consistency
—solid Biblical understanding
—historical accuracy
—logical thought processes
—. . .

. . .

from even a single RC except for 3-4 glaring and usually silent exceptions.

If a new such rare RC comes along—it’s wonderful.

However, they usually also quickly abandon such dialogues because they are typically as disgusted with the Rabid Clique type RC’s as the Proddys are.

So, y’all have only y’all to thank for the current state of affairs.

I think MOST of us Proddys have reluctantly accepted the reality and decided to use the ignorantly arrogant Rabid Clique types as foils to write to the silent lurkers.

The RC’s aren’t the least bit interested in mutually respectful dialogue so we have no need to pretend about it either.

Case in point, they have refused to respond about the horrific statistics honorably at all.

Instead, they just rant and rave and play dishonorable plagiaristic games of great haughty hostility and shameful assaultiveness—deflecting and sabotaging any hope of any civil dialogue about such things.

Your nice sounding appeal just has absolutely no congruence with the reality from the RC camp hereon lo these many years—none whatsoever.

Maybe some of us Proddys are reluctant and slow learners to have to come to terms with that reality. However, once we have, we no longer have to be successfully teased with such seductive deviousness as we often see RC types play—and are playing still.

We can go on posting hard facts about the Vatican system and all it’s inconsistencies, horrifically INSTITUTIONALIZED, APPLAUDED AND EMBELLISHED idolatries and blasphemies . . . knowing that we’ll get the same hollow DENIALS, rants and personal assaults as usual and possibly more shrill than usual, on occasion.

Doesn’t matter greatly. THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH whether Biblical, theological or historical.

NON-DAFFYNITIONARY words carry conventional meanings in the real world regardless of the wails and whines of the RC’s !!!DEMANDING!!! !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the vocabulary

of the Religion Forum; of the RM, of JimRob, of the world.

Sooooooooo, dream on. . . just be sure to place the blame for lack of civil discourse where it solidly belongs—on the shoulders of FR’s ever present ever relentless Rabid Clique types.

IF THEY CAN’T CONFORM ALL PRODDYS AND THE WHOLE RELIGION FORUM TO THEIR SENSIBILITIES AND VATICAN !!!CONTROL!!! STANDARDS, expectations, comfort zones—then they will chronically pull out the stops and blame Proddys in every underhanded irrational way imaginable.

They are in no possible nor convincing way interested in true, mutually respectful dialogue. NOPE. NO HOW, NEVER.

Have repeatedly tried to cultivate it only to EVERY TIME have just such RC’s sabotage it and shred it to powder.

No more. Been there and done that repeatedly with many scars to show for it.

Even the pretentiously old timer lofty scholarly grandfatherly types also typically have descended in one or more ways, sooner or later to the same nastiness.

No thanks.

Y’all may not be able to tell the difference between educational, exhortive satire, mocking and ridicule, and y’all’s chronic mean-spirited virulent bitter vengeful hostility and nastiness—BUT GOD CAN.

And so can the lurkers.

Proddys really don’t tend toward personal assaults. Rabid Clique types chronically go for the jugular and the heart in the most vicious, underhanded, unwarranted, dishonest and unfitting ways.

AND THEN THEY HAVE THE BRAZEN IRRATIONALITY TO EXPECT PRODDY RESPECT FOR ANYTHING THEY SAY????

WHAT IDIOCY!

No thanks.

[GCC Catholic]

Even the pretentiously old timer lofty scholarly grandfatherly types also typically have descended in one or more ways, sooner or later to the same nastiness.

If you find that everyone is against you... perhaps it's time to ask if it's them, or if it's you.

[GCC Catholic]

You deserve more of a response than the snarky one I just gave you. More to follow in a moment.

[GCC Catholic]

The RC’s aren’t the least bit interested in mutually respectful dialogue so we have no need to pretend about it either.

Case in point, they have refused to respond about the horrific statistics honorably at all.

Abuses. There were lots of them in the Middle Ages. The People of God deserved better, and the Catholic Church fouled it up bad. But there are also lots of other things that Ryle and Latimer rejected as errors and excess (Mass, priesthood, veneration of relics, Penance) that at their heart are part of the Catholic Faith. Perhaps someday these can be discussed charitably. This thread, however, is irreparably poisoned by both sides.

A "catch all" discussion about all of the things that the Reformers complained about concerning the Catholic Church isn't going to be productive. And lots of the Catholics here have decided they want no parts of it. Frankly, maybe it's time for me to go off the RF for a while again too.

Your nice sounding appeal just has absolutely no congruence with the reality from the RC camp hereon lo these many years—none whatsoever.

Sooooooooo, dream on. . . just be sure to place the blame for lack of civil discourse where it solidly belongs—on the shoulders of FR’s ever present ever relentless Rabid Clique types.

I've been here five years... long enough to know that NEITHER side can take the moral high ground against the other... so there's no point in lecturing me on the sins of the "Rabid Clique" types. If we want to go and hold grudges, there's plenty of blame to go around, present company included.

I've also been here long enough to know when a thread has gone beyond the point of bearing good fruit.

And this one has long surpassed that point.

A Blessed Sunday to you and yours.

[OpusatFR]

“NON-DAFFYNITIONARY words carry conventional meanings in the real world regardless of the wails and whines of the RC’s !!!DEMANDING!!! !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the vocabulary”

Oh really?

This is your post from December and the only person on these boards demanding censorship IS YOU:

“NOT AT ALL.
Thankfully, there’s been a decrease in the brazenly heretical THREAD TITLES daring Proddys to fuss.
However, the RC’s are quite persistent and eager in their spreading of the Maryolatry stuff 24/7 at the slightest excuse and without any excuse.

632 posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 7:56:52 PM by Quix (Times are a changin’ INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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The only group !!!DEMANDING!!! control is your bunch and frankly, not even them so much as YOU.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for sharing your concerns, dear brother in Christ!

I shall address my three part reply to posters on both sides 50/50.

1. We should follow the Scripture on choosing when to engage and when to disengage a debate.

To paraphrase the following passage, try not to answer foolish claims or questions. It is better to ignore them than to take them seriously.

And limit our attempts to correct another poster’s heresy to two. If he won’t hear us after the second try, just walk away, let God deal with him.

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. – Titus 3:9-11

2. We should beware the divine equation in everything we post.

God’s justice is perfectly balanced. We each individually build the scales whereby we will each be individually weighed. The way we treat other posters is the way God will treat us.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. - Matthew 7:1-2

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: - Luke 6:37

Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. – Matt 5:7

3. When we have been offended, we should remember that God will link our prayer requests to our forgiveness.

Never hold a grudge for the way a poster has treated us. For if we refuse to forgive others, God will not hear our prayers. Emphasis mine.

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. - Matthew 6:5-15

And again,

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].

And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. – Mark 11:24-26

God's Name is I AM.

[Cronos]

I’ve behaved quite charitably repeatedly toward a number of RC’s on FR.

Quix, as a person, I acknowledge the lack of malice in you, but you have not acted charitably consistently -- when there is a duplicity of reaction whether it is a Catholic or the member of your cliche, that is not "behaving charitably", I'm sorry to say, when there is a thread that is an obvious flame-bait and aimed to incite hatred, that is NOT the work of the Holy Spirit.

When you wish to teach calmly without insults and barbs, or when you wish to explain your beliefs, those are very nice posts.

[Cronos]

"horrific statistics" -- I replied back to you last month pointing out that these actions were deplorable and just 1.73% of all pastors (1950-2010) have been accused and the majority of these in the 60s and 70s and furthermore, those convicted are 0.8%, far less than in the secular world or in other denominations and I did not see any response from you, yet got a snarky post from a fellow-cliche member and no "charity" from you. That is a double-standard that I expect from the Presbyterians, and not from someone I thought was beyond that.