And just who jumped in on this thread with posts that got deleted?
If said group were to seek actual discussion with Catholics, and police each other to ensure it is being done in a respectful manner, perhaps respect would be received in return.
You mean like Catholics calling us scum? And bigots?
As it is, like it or not, you (as a group) are painted as anti-Catholic bigots, not worthy of the effort involved in giving genuine and well-thought explanation. I've hoped it would change, but it seems to be more of the same every time I come back to the RF.
Then you need to take that up with the Catholics on FR. They're the ones calling us anti-Catholic and bigot, etc. We don't call ourselves that.
What would your mother say about the slander against the Catholic Church that exists in the article, that you have chosen to at least tacitly agree with?
OK. We have a Catholic who finally referenced the article in the thread.
Could you be more specific about what you consider slander in the article?
You left out calling us witches.
Who behaved badly on this thread is of little concern to me; the trend goes well beyond this thread.
You mean like Catholics calling us scum? And bigots? [...] Then you need to take that up with the Catholics on FR. They're the ones calling us anti-Catholic and bigot, etc. We don't call ourselves that.
I know you don't call yourselves that... and it's not a charge that ought be leveled on all of you. But I'm certainly going to agree that it deserves to be leveled against some of you. Enough Catholics here have seen anti-Catholic bigotry (in Real life, not just on FR) to recognize it and call it for what it is. If you want to talk about it more, PM me.
Could you be more specific about what you consider slander in the article?
Slander is the wrong word. The accusations that Ryle and Latimer make against the Catholic Church are half-truths. They point out what may well have been legitimate abuses (uneducated priests, lack of preaching, corruption in the Vatican, etc.); However, they also paint things inherent to the Catholic system such as the Mass, the priesthood, penance and the other Sacraments, the veneration of relics, and other things that are inherent to the Apostolic Faith (the Orthodox do them too) as part of that corrupt system. Indeed these things are not part of the corrupt system, as they are part of the Catholic Faith received from the Apostles.
In addition to this is the idea that the Bible in Vernacular was somehow contrary to Catholicism - indeed, it was only prohibited to produce a translation without the approval of the Church, not for there to be an English translation of Scripture. In fact, the Church even took no issue with Wyclyffe's translation, provided that the Catholics who owned copies of it removed his heretical commentaries. I'll just leave this here for anyone interested in reading more.
No, I will not defend it beyond that, because EACH of those things would require a whole thread to be intelligently discussed. Besides this, each HAS ALREADY BEEN defended by Catholics on FR, ad nauseam. My doing so again will do no good.
It's already Sunday morning where I am. I don't have time to discuss it any more.