[caww]

I think woman can and do just that...but they choose to do that..and that is the difference Cronos. Choice and the freedom of doing or do not.

Perhaps best you explain what submissive and quitness is in your mind.

[Cronos]

note -- I asked Rn and then Met if her group followed this
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.

If a group says it completely follows the Gospel and does not follow this, isn't the first statement negated?

I think woman can and do just that...but they choose to do that. --> valid, but:

1. By 'choose to do that' isn't it free will?'
2. This is something that if one says one follows the NT exactly, then it is an order, and one chooses to obey it or not
3. Paul says clearly that he does not permit a woman to teach
4. in fact, Paul goes on to say 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

Do you know any group that says it fully follows completely the words of the NT and also enforces:

1. No women teaching
2. No women assuming authority over a man
3. women to learn in quietness
4. women to learn in FULL submission

This is what Paul said -- learn in full submission, no teaching, no assuming authority over a man, etc. -- is there any group that says it completely follows the Gospel and also enforces these?