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Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock
Stopped reading after the first insult.
You're posts on this thread are legendary. No point in reading any more.
I’ve not observed that
“Christian Charity”
is in the
Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology, Reality Mangling, Chronic Professional Blaming, Wailing and Whining Institute DAFFYNITIONARY!
TRADITION:
“2 Thess 2:15
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.
1 Cor 11: 2
I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you.
John 20: 30
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of (his) disciples that are not written in this book.
2 Timothy 2:2
And what you heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well.
2 Thes 3: 6
We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.
John 21: 25
There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.
2 John 1: 12
Although I have much to write to you, I do not intend to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and to speak face to face so that our joy may be complete.
3 John 1: 13
Although I have much to write to you, I do not intend to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and to speak face to face
All these verses suggest that we are to follow the tradition of the apostles and the whole of Christianity is not found in scripture.
‘For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us their writings? Would it not be necessary to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those whom they did commit the Churches?’ Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3, 4:1 (inter A.D. 180/199).
“Through none others know we the disposition of our salvation, than those through whom the gospel came to us, first heralding it, then by the will of God delivering to us the Scriptures, which were to be the foundation and pillar of our faith...But when, the heretics are Scriptures, as if they were wrong, and unauthoritative, and were variable, and the truth could not be extracted from them by those who were ignorant of Tradition...And when we challenge them in turn what that tradition, which is from the Apostles, which is guarded by the succession of elders in the churches, they oppose themselves to Tradition, saying that they are wiser, not only than those elders, but even than the Apostles. The Tradition of the Apostles, manifested ‘on the contrary’ in the whole world, is open in every Church to all who see the truth.’ Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3,1-3 (inter A.D. 180/199).
“We do not take our scriptural teaching from the parables but we interpret the parables according to our teaching.” Tertullian, Purity 9,1 (c. A.D. 200).
‘But they, safeguarding the true tradition of the blessed teaching, which comes straight from the Apostles Peter, James, John and Paul and transmitted from father to son have come down to us with the help of God to deposit in us those ancestral and apostolic seeds’ Clement of Alexandria, Stromata 1,11 (c. A.D. 205).
There was about 25 years from Jesus’ crucifixion until the New testament started being written and during this time Christians didn’t have the whole bible we had today. If they were Christians then they must have been following the oral traditions of the apostles, because there was no scripture besides the OT. The Early Church fathers even appealed to apostolic tradition as a way to denounce apocrypha and false gospels before the canon was complete. In many of the books the teachings were obviously contrary to Christian teaching, but the early fathers also made clear that these apocryphal works were not handed down to them by apostolic tradition.
So where was it in that post? I didn't see it cited.
- so sue me.
Actually it's FR that could be sued, which is what some of us are concerned about, although it seems that not all are.
Using someone else's work unattributed, leaving the impression to others that it's your own is deceitful and called plagiarism.
TRADITION:
“2 Thess 2:15
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.
1 Cor 11: 2
I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you.
John 20: 30
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of (his) disciples that are not written in this book.
2 Timothy 2:2
And what you heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well.
2 Thes 3: 6
We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.
John 21: 25
There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.
2 John 1: 12
Although I have much to write to you, I do not intend to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and to speak face to face so that our joy may be complete.
3 John 1: 13
Although I have much to write to you, I do not intend to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and to speak face to face
All these verses suggest that we are to follow the tradition of the apostles and the whole of Christianity is not found in scripture.
‘For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us their writings? Would it not be necessary to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those whom they did commit the Churches?’ Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3, 4:1 (inter A.D. 180/199).
“Through none others know we the disposition of our salvation, than those through whom the gospel came to us, first heralding it, then by the will of God delivering to us the Scriptures, which were to be the foundation and pillar of our faith...But when, the heretics are Scriptures, as if they were wrong, and unauthoritative, and were variable, and the truth could not be extracted from them by those who were ignorant of Tradition...And when we challenge them in turn what that tradition, which is from the Apostles, which is guarded by the succession of elders in the churches, they oppose themselves to Tradition, saying that they are wiser, not only than those elders, but even than the Apostles. The Tradition of the Apostles, manifested ‘on the contrary’ in the whole world, is open in every Church to all who see the truth.’ Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3,1-3 (inter A.D. 180/199).
“We do not take our scriptural teaching from the parables but we interpret the parables according to our teaching.” Tertullian, Purity 9,1 (c. A.D. 200).
‘But they, safeguarding the true tradition of the blessed teaching, which comes straight from the Apostles Peter, James, John and Paul and transmitted from father to son have come down to us with the help of God to deposit in us those ancestral and apostolic seeds’ Clement of Alexandria, Stromata 1,11 (c. A.D. 205).
There was about 25 years from Jesus’ crucifixion until the New testament started being written and during this time Christians didn’t have the whole bible we had today. If they were Christians then they must have been following the oral traditions of the apostles, because there was no scripture besides the OT. The Early Church fathers even appealed to apostolic tradition as a way to denounce apocrypha and false gospels before the canon was complete. In many of the books the teachings were obviously contrary to Christian teaching, but the early fathers also made clear that these apocryphal works were not handed down to them by apostolic tradition.
Sorry about the double post.
So, what specifically are the traditions that Paul passed on to the churches that he insists that they follow and how do you know what they are?
The Codex Sinaiticus which was located in a Greek orthodox seminary in the mid 1800s has all of the books of the New Testament thought to originate in the mid 4th century AD...It did not originate in the Roman church nor has the Roman church ever had it in its possession
http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/
There is also the Codex Alexandrianus.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/codex-a.html
Also never in the hands of the Roman church, this is from about the same time frame ...
All the tradition that was verbally passed in apostolic times has been codified ion the Scriptures..
LOL
“All the tradition that was verbally passed in apostolic times has been codified ion the Scriptures..” - RnMomof7
Exactly.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 - “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.”
We can be confident that EVERYTHING we need to be equipped for EVERY good work is written in Scripture.
“All the tradition that was verbally passed in apostolic times has been codified ion the Scriptures..”
We aren’t Sola Scriptura followers. We eschew that heresy.
THANKS for your excellent contributions to such threads.
So even if they are codified in the written text of scripture..you will ignore them and build your own?
LOL
“Actually it’s FR that could be sued, which is what some of us are concerned about, although it seems that not all are.”
ROTFLMAO!
Luther is not going to sue. That you might imagine that speaks volumes. About you.
“Using someone else’s work unattributed, leaving the impression to others that it’s your own is deceitful and called plagiarism.”
Nope. That you impute such nastiness again indicts you. Very sad.
“We aren’t Sola Scriptura followers. We eschew that heresy.”
Paul foresaw that error of Rome:
1 Timothy 4:1 - “Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons”
Jabberwocky
’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”
He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!
One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
He chortled in his joy.
’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
“”
from Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There
Don’t confuse people with the facts..
Thank you for your kind reply Quix. I value your contributions as well.
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