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How The Reformation Changed The Church
frontline.org ^ | Dr. Peter Hammond

Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock

In the book of Judges we read about another generation which arose, which knew neither the Lord nor what He had done (Judges 2:10). Today, it appears that a generation has arisen, which like Israel under the Judges, knows little of either the Lord nor of what He did during the time of the Protestant exodus and the struggles in the wilderness, which followed in the 16th and 17th century. Sometimes this is from a cowardly dislike of controversy and confrontation. But few people seem to understand either the evils from which the Reformation delivered us or the blessings which the Reformation won for us.

The Reformation delivered the Church from gross ignorance and spiritual darkness The church, before the Reformation, was a church without the Bible. And a church without a Bible is as useless as a lighthouse without light, a candlestick without a candle, or a motor vehicle without an engine. The priests and people knew scarcely anything about God’s Word or the way of salvation in Christ.

Bishop J.C. Ryle described the situation: “The immense majority of the clergy did little more than say masses and offer up pretended sacrifices, repeat Latin prayers and chant Latin hymns (which of course most of the people could not understand), hear confessions, grant absolutions, give extreme unction, and take money to get dead people out of purgatory.”

Bishop Latimer observed: “When the devil gets influence in a church, up go candles and down goes preaching.”

Quarterly sermons (that is, once every three months) were prescribed to the clergy, but not insisted upon. Latimer noted that while the mass was never left unsaid for a single Sunday, sermons might be omitted for 20 Sundays in succession. Indeed, to preach much was to incur the suspicion of being a heretic.

Bishop Hooper, who along with Bishop Latimer was burned alive at the stake under Queen Mary, did a survey in 1551 and found that out of 311 clergy in his Diocese, 168 were unable to repeat the Ten Commandments, 31 of those 168 could not even say in which part of the Scripture the Ten Commandments were to be found, 40 could not tell where the Lord’s Prayer was written, and 31 of the 40 did not even know who the author of the Lord’s Prayer was!

Bishop Ryle summarized the situation: “Before the Reformation was a religion without knowledge, without faith and without lively hope – a religion without justification, regeneration and sanctification – a religion without any clear views of Christ and the Holy Ghost. Except in rare instances, it was little better than an organized system of Mary worship, saint worship, image worship, relic worship, pilgrimages, alms giving, formalism, ceremonialism, processions, penances, absolutions, masses and blind obedience to the priests. It was a huge higgledy-piggledy of ignorance and idolatry, and serving an unknown God by deputy. The only practical result was that the priests took the people’s money and undertook to secure their salvation. And the people flattered themselves that the more they gave to the priests, the more sure they were to go to Heaven!”

The Reformation delivered the church from childish superstitions The Roman Catholic church, before the Reformation, taught its members to seek spiritual benefit from so-called relics of dead saints and to treat them with divine honor. Calvin’s “Inventory of Relics” and Hobart Seymour’s “Pilgrimage to Rome” catalog some of the ludicrous swindles which were perpetrated by the church of Rome. This included pieces of wood “of the true cross” enough to load a large ship, thorns professing to be part of the Saviour’s crown of thorns, enough to make a huge faggot, at least 14 nails said to have been used at the Crucifixion, four spearheads – each purporting to be the one which pierced our Lord’s side, at least three seamless coats of Christ, for which the soldiers cast lots, Saint James’s hand, bones of Mary Magdalene, toenails from Saint Edmund, some bread, purported to have been used by Christ at the Last Supper, a girdle of the Virgin Mary and milk from the Virgin Mary! The Royal Commissioners of Henry VIII examined a vial at the Abbey in Gloucestershire, which was said to contain the blood of Christ! The Commissioners found that it contained the blood of a duck.

There were literally thousands of profane and vile inventions, fabrications and deceptions, which Roman priests imposed on the people before the Reformation. They must have known that they were deceiving the people, yet they persisted in presenting these lies and requiring that the ignorant laity believe them. Sometimes the priests induced dying sinners to give vast tracts of lands to abbeys and monasteries, in order to atone for their bad lives. In one way or another, they were continually separating sinners from their money and accumulating property and wealth in the hands of the Roman church.

The power of the priests was practically despotic and was used for every purpose except the advancement of the Christian faith. It seemed that their primary object was power. To them confession had to be made. Without their absolution and extreme unction no professing Christian could be saved. Without their masses no soul could be redeemed from purgatory. In short, they were, to all intents and purposes, the mediators between Christ and man. To please and honor the Roman church was a devout Christian’s first duty. To injure them was the greatest of sins. One of the indulgences issued in 1498, with the authority of the Pope, claimed: “To absolve people from usury, theft, manslaughter, fornication and all crime whatsoever, except smiting the clergy and conspiring against the Pope!”

A starving man in a famine may be reduced to eating rats and rubbish, rather than die of hunger. Similarly, a conscience-stricken soul, deprived of God’s Word, should not be judged too harshly by us, if they struggled to find comfort in the most debasing superstition. However, we must never forget that it was from such superstitions which the Reformation delivered us.

The Reformation delivered the church from blatant immorality Before the Reformation, the lives of the clergy were simply scandalous. There were brothels in the Vatican. The Popes, Cardinals and Bishops openly consorted with prostitutes and engaged in the most debauched orgies. The local priests became notorious for gluttony, drunkenness and gambling. As Bishop Ryle pointed out: “To expect the huge roots of ignorance and superstition, which filled our land, to bear any but corrupt fruit, would be unreasonable and absurd.”

Contemporary art depicted friars as foxes preaching with the neck of a stolen goose peeping out of the hood behind; as wolves giving absolution, with the sheep partly concealed under their cloaks; or as apes sitting on a sick man’s bed with a crucifix in one hand and with the other hand in the suffering person’s pocket! Such public contempt in art reflects the scorn with which the clergy were held at the time.

Bishop Ryle pointed out: “But the blackest spot on the character of our pre-Reformation clergy in England is one of which it is painful to speak … their horrible contempt of the 7th Commandment … the consequences of shutting up herds of men and women in the prime of life, in monasteries and nunneries, were such that I will not defile my paper by dwelling upon them … if ever there was a plausible theory weighed in the balance and found utterly wanting, it is the favorite theory that celibacy and monasticism promote holiness … monasteries and nunneries were frequently sinks of iniquity.”

The report of the Royal Commissioners, under Henry VIII, declared: “That manifest sin, vicious, carnal and abominable living, is daily used and committed in abbeys, priories, and other religious houses of monks, cannons and nuns, and that albeit many continual visitations have been had, by the space of 200 years or more, for an honest and charitable reformation of such unthrifty, carnal and abominable living, yet that nevertheless, little or none amendment was hitherto had, but that their vicious living shamefully increased and augmented.”

It was observed that: “There is no surer recipe for promoting immorality than fullness of bread and abundance of idleness.” (Ezekiel 16:49) It is from such superstition, corruption, immorality, ignorance and idolatry that the Reformation freed the church.

The Reformation gave the church back the Bible In 1519, six men and a woman were burned at Coventry for teaching their children the Ten Commandments, the Lord’s Prayer and the Apostle’s Creed in English. Nothing seems to have alarmed and enraged the Roman priesthood as much as the spread of Bibles in the local language. It was for the crime of translating the Bible into English that the Reformer, William Tyndale, was burned at the stake. Of all the aspects which combined to make up the Reformation, no other aspect received such bitter opposition as the translation and circulation of the Scriptures. The translation of the Bible struck a blow at the root of the whole Roman Catholic system. The Bible, as the only rule of faith and conduct, freely available in the local languages, was a threat to all the superstitions and abuses of the medieval Roman popery. With the Bible in every parish church, every thoughtful man soon saw that the religion of the priests had no basis in Holy Scripture.

The Reformation opened the road to the throne of Grace The way of salvation had become blocked up and made impassible by heaps of superstitious rubble. “He who desired to obtain forgiveness had to seek it through a jungle of priests, saints, Mary worship, masses, penances, confession, absolution and the like, so that there might as well have been no throne of Grace at all.” J.C. Ryle

The Reformers hacked their way through this huge jungle of papal obstruction and cleared the way for every heavy-laden sinner to go straight to the Lord Jesus Christ for remission of sins.

The Reformation restored Biblical simplicity to worship Before the Reformation, the laity were only present at church services as passive, ignorant spectators. The elaborate, theatrical presentations of the sacraments were a solemn farce because the ceremonies and prayers were in Latin. The laity could bring their bodies to the services, but their minds, understanding, reason and spirit could take no part at all. For this reason, the 24th Article of the Church of England declared: “It is a thing totally repugnant to the Word of God and the custom of the primitive church to have public prayer in the church or to minister the sacraments in a tongue not understood of the people.”

The Reformation gave a Biblical understanding of the office of a minister Before the Reformation, the concept of the Christian ministry was sacerdotal. That is – it was understood that every clergyman was a sacrificing priest. The clergy were understood to hold the keys of Heaven and to be practically the mediators between God and man.

The Reformers brought the office of the clergy down to its Scriptural level. They stripped it entirely of any sacerdotal character. They cast out the words “sacrifice” and “altar”. They taught that the clergy were pastors, ambassadors, messengers, witnesses, evangelists, teachers and ministers of the Word and sacraments. The Reformers taught that the chief business of every Christian minister is to preach the Word and to be diligent in prayer and the reading of the Scriptures. The Reformers taught the immense superiority of the pulpit to the confessional. For this reason, where the altar used to be, the Lord’s table was placed with an open Bible, or a pulpit, showing the centrality of God’s Word in the worship of Protestant churches.

The Reformation restored a Biblical understanding of holiness Before the Reformation, it was believed that a monastic life and vows of celibacy were the only ways to escape sin and to attain sanctification. Multitudes of men and women poured into the monasteries and convents under the vain idea that this would please God and ensure their eternal salvation.

The Reformers struck at the root of this fallacy by establishing the great Scriptural principle that true religion was not to be found in retiring into convents and monasteries and fleeing from the difficulties of daily life, but in manfully facing up to our difficulties and doing our duty diligently - in every position to which God calls us. It is not by running away from the world, that we fulfill God’s call, but by courageously resisting the devil, the flesh and the world and overcoming them in daily life. That is how true holiness is to be exhibited. For this reason, the Reformers dissolved the monasteries and convents in their areas and freed the inmates to be reintegrated into normal life.

The Reformers also ordered that the Ten Commandments be set up in every parish church and taught to every child, and that our duty towards God and our neighbor be set forth in the Catechism. They insisted that you cannot become saints by shirking your duties in society.

A Heritage of Faith and Freedom We must continually thank God for the Reformation. It lit the flames of knowledge and freedom which we must ensure are never allowed to be extinguished or to grow dim. We need to continually remember that the Reformation was won for us by the blood of many tens of thousands of martyrs. It was not only by their preaching and praying, and writing and legislation, but by their sacrifices that our religious liberty, freedom of conscience and Christian heritage was won.

The Reformation found church members steeped in ignorance and left them in possession of knowledge. It found them without Bibles and left them with the Bible in every parish. It found them in darkness and left them in light. It found them bound in fear and left them enjoying the liberty and peace which only Christ can give. It found them strangers to the blood of Christ’s atonement, to faith, grace and holiness and left them with the key of all those blessings in their hands. It found them blind and left them with spiritual eyes to see. It found them slaves to superstition and set them free to serve Christ.

As Bishop Ryle declared: “Are we to return to a church which boasts that she is infallible and never changes – to a church which has never repented her pre-Reformation superstitions and abominations – to a church which has never confessed and abjured her countless corruptions? Are we to go back to gross ignorance of true religion? Shame on us, I say, if we entertain the idea for a moment! Let the Israelite return to Egypt, if he will. Let the prodigal go back to his husks among the swine. Let the dog return to his vomit. But let no Englishman with brains in his head, ever listen to the idea of exchanging Protestantism for Popery, or returning to the bondage of the church of Rome. No, indeed! … God forbid! The man who counsels such base apostasy and suicidal folly, must be judicially blind. The iron collar has been broken; let us not put it on again. The prison has been thrown open; let us not resume the yoke and return to our chains … Let us not go back to ignorance, superstition, priestcraft and immorality.”

If you have a Bible in your own language, and enjoy to read and study God’s Word, never forget that you owe that Bible to the Reformation. Brave men and women died that you could have the freedom to delight in God’s Word.

If you know the joy of sins forgiven and new life in Christ, if you are walking by faith and enjoying peace with God, never forget that you owe this priceless privilege to the Reformation.

If you enjoy Church services, Scripture choruses, Hymns, prayers and sermons in your own language, remember that for this you are also indebted to the Reformation.

If you appreciate the Biblical and practical sermons of your pastor, and his counsel, never forget that for this you are indebted to the Reformation. The Reformation is the source of many blessings. We need to ask if we are on the side of the Reformers, or of those who burned them and the Bible. “… Contend earnestly for the Faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” Jude 3


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To: boatbums

as is often the case, your non-answers say more than your answers.


541 posted on 02/06/2011 2:09:44 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: CynicalBear

order to obey the Great Commission we will aggressively seek to evangelize Trinitarians to the truth of the Oneness of God, Jesus Name Baptism, and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost. The Great Commission commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ includes baptism in Jesus Name and the promise of the power of the Spirit. Wherefore, all those who have not been baptized in Jesus Name or who have not received the gift of the Holy Spirit with the initial sign of tongues are included as part of our evangelistic field of outreach.

the above is from the doctrinal statement of what bear sent shock waves that i am not a part of, “truegospelofjesus.org”


542 posted on 02/06/2011 2:12:44 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Your getting a little obsessed dude.


543 posted on 02/06/2011 2:23:55 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD
Re: baptism, it's my opinion that for a Christian to refuse to baptize his children in the name of the Triune God grew out of a stealth movement of the RCC through Grebel and his priest buddies disrupting Zwingli's study group.

You and I have gone around about Baptism before, and historicity and historic tenets (traditions) aside, it is the Biblical foundation for infant baptism which I find to be lacking...

In this I align with the Baptists most closely, finding the general tenor of the Biblical text to be declaring quite plainly that the "Circumcision Made Without Hands" is a better circumcision because it is personal, and does not rely upon the obligations of one's parents, nationality, or of one's gender.

This precludes an infant, because the infant cannot participate knowingly, and following, replaces the act of true Baptism with profession of faith in those churches which practice infant baptism. That is not correct form according to the Word.

But infant baptism aside (I do not consider that particular discussion a salvation issue; Christ's directive was to be baptized. Period. But even without baptism, a man who believes in Christ as Lord, King and Savior will be saved, according to His word.)

Agreed. Though in my view, the Baptism of Fire (the indwelling of the Spirit), to borrow from my charismatic/pentecostal friends, is the confirmation of faith... So while we agree that the "getting wet" part is not the point, I suppose there is a difference in reason.

I do not conclude, in any way, that Calvinists (or others) are therefore excluded, as "Spirit-filled" is the final conclusion and proof - And many Calvinists are indeed, Spirit-filled.

I'm a postmillennial Calvinist, but nobody's perfect.

A good time to note, for the reader, that I was raised Calvinist, and still associate with a Calvinist church - I criticize my own - Something our FRiends in the Roman church suggest we are incapable of doing.

As a semi-dispensational mid-trib (sorta), sabbath observing, charismatic Presbyterian (you think you've got it bad), when I converse with you, I find myself in the best of company. :D

And a trend in some reformed/Christian circles to deny that the papacy may well be the antiChrist is, IMO, a mistake. (This also illustrates the fact that everyone can be deceived about something and no visible church on earth is perfect.)

Almost to a one, EVERY reformer of the Reformation believed that the papacy was the antiChrist.

In this we are in total agreement, at least in form. I am loathe to put my finger on it, as it were, as prophecy is a slippery fish at best... It could go another unforeseen way... But no other organization on earth matches the prophecies as exactly.

544 posted on 02/06/2011 2:24:02 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: narses

Such perseveration!


545 posted on 02/06/2011 2:24:39 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

546 posted on 02/06/2011 2:25:20 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks for your kind reply.

However, I respectfully remain unconvinced.

And, I think I could gather dozens of penguins who’d agree with me.

So there!


547 posted on 02/06/2011 2:26:22 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: boatbums

“This is not allowed on the Religion Forum. “

Nor are your mindreading antics. But you knew that, right?


548 posted on 02/06/2011 2:27:04 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: HossB86; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg

Honor to y’all

Honor to whom honor is due

The Book says.

(NOT the rubberized

Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology, Reality Mangling, Chronic Professional Blaming, Wailing and Whining Institute one—they give honor to all manner of creatures.)

The REAL Bible that they seem to know little about.


549 posted on 02/06/2011 2:30:59 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Re: baptism, it's my opinion that for a Christian to refuse to baptize his children in the name of the Triune God grew out of a stealth movement of the RCC through Grebel and his priest buddies disrupting Zwingli's study group. What better way to undermine the Reformation than to deny an historic tenet of the Christian faith?

Which it certainly did.

But infant baptism aside (I do not consider that particular discussion a salvation issue; Christ's directive was to be baptized. Period. But even without baptism, a man who believes in Christ as Lord, King and Savior will be saved, according to His word.)

Can I point you to yet another book? J. V. Fesko, Word, Water and Spirit, a Reformed Perspective on Baptism.

And a trend in some reformed/Christian circles to deny that the papacy may well be the antiChrist is, IMO, a mistake. ...

Almost to a one, EVERY reformer of the Reformation believed that the papacy was the antiChrist.

They had their reasons. An instantiation of Antichrist, able and willing to wage war on the saints with real physical troops.

550 posted on 02/06/2011 2:34:49 PM PST by Lee N. Field (Bad eschatology has consequences.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Very good point. Thank you.


551 posted on 02/06/2011 2:41:08 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: CynicalBear
if you read Isaiah 19 which is beginning now [...]

Probably my favorite Book... It would be fun to have an FR study of the major and minor prophets, wouldn't it?

[...]and Ezekiel 38-39 which will probably happen before the Rapture one can easily see where Islam is either wiped off the earth or greatly diminished prior to the Tribulation which would/could exclude it from being the whore.

Agreed, at least generally... But Islam is being raised as a sword against apostate Christianity - Whether that falls on Europe or America (or both) is not yet clear - It SEEMS to be ready to conquer Europe on the ground, and is far away from doing so with Britain's daughters (US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc)

I think the brunt of establishing the Caliphate will fall upon Europe, and quite likely, the Roman church, which is within their grasp (think Constantinople, the seat of the Orthodoxy).

What that does to Rome (the affliction) may well wear her out. If she is destroyed (or repents), and is no longer capable as a city-state, she drops off the map as the Whore, and a re-interpretation would be necessary.

552 posted on 02/06/2011 2:44:55 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; ...
O.L.O.F.O.B [purportedly, of course]:

as is often the case, your non-answers say more than your answers.

NOTHING compared to the RC NONANSWERS

to THESE FACTS!:


only 26% of [Roman et al] Catholics strongly agree that The Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches

only 33% of American [Roman eg al] Catholics strongly affirm that Christ was sinless on earth

" . . . only 9% of [Roman et al] Catholics strongly DISAGREE that if a person is generally good, or does enough good things for others they will earn a place in Heaven [salvation on the basis of merit]."

" . . . only 17% of [Roman et al] Catholics strongly DISAGREE that Satan is just a symbol of evil [rather than a real being]"

" . . . only 43% of [Roman et al] Catholics said they were absolutely committed to Christianity,"

"Volunteer church work (during past 7 days): Assemblies of God were highest at 30%, with the lowest going to Catholics at 12%.^8"

72% of Protestants vs 42% of [Roman et al] Catholics affirmed that homosexual sexual activity was sinful.

79% of [Roman et al] Catholics affirmed "Many religions can lead to eternal life."

"40% of Roman Catholics see abortion as "morally acceptable"

"88% of [Roman et al] Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good [Roman et al] Catholics."

"Only 30% of Catholics affirmed they believe they are really and truly receiving the body, blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine."

Only "26 percent of [Roman et al] Catholics polled strongly agree with the Church's unequivoval position on abortion. Catholic World Report; Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at the University of Connecticut."

"Only 20 percent strongly agreed with the Church teaching that only men may be ordained. ^Roper Center for Public Opinion "

"Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. Alan Guttmacher Institute http://www.catholicleague.org/research/Catholic_women_and_abortion.htm

The above gathered from:

http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html#Sec4


OK, RC'S start your ENGINES
. . . errr start your WEASEL WORDS AND RATIONALIZATIONS!

553 posted on 02/06/2011 2:45:54 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: CynicalBear

I gather you borrowed your definition of

“little”

from the

Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology, Reality Mangling, Chronic Professional Blaming, Wailing and Whining Institute DAFFYNITIONARY.


554 posted on 02/06/2011 2:47:38 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: roamer_1
Some great points.

To a degree, it is a matter of focus - There is no doubt that Pentecostals have a different focus (or perhaps approach is a better word) than your average Presbyterian - That is a good thing, in my mind, as both roads lead to New Jerusalem... And to the King.

The early Christian Churches were very independent and their services were varied.

I expect that process to result in a worship of YHWH which is more Biblical, and more detested by the worldly, as the years roll on (what few there are left). Many sacred cows need to be gored.

If we look at the House Church movement in repressive countries you find a very humble, reflective non ritualistic service. It is a gathering of believers with no elevated clergy. In the end this may be how we are forced to worship if evil controls the planet.

And to what degree is discernment leveraged by Bible teaching? IOW, Do traditions of men prevent or diminish discernment? No doubt... But by what degree?

One of the great things the came from the Reformation was Bible literacy. In the prior 1,200 years Christians had become enslaved to pagan worship dressed up as Christianity in large part under the authority of "tradition". So I believe the historical record shows where "tradition" leads, to a Dark Age.

I fully expect the Roman church to be at the head of that profane ecumenical community - if it can survive Islam.

I don't doubt that it will survive. At heart it is a political entity and they have made clear that they believe muslims worship the same god as them. Their ultimate goal is control of Jerusalem and the muslims might be able to give it to them.

555 posted on 02/06/2011 2:49:16 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: roamer_1

That reminds me. I have yet to get back to my commentary on the shorter prophets. Sigh.

Lots of priorities.

Though that would be far better than pontificating on so much RC garbage.


556 posted on 02/06/2011 2:50:37 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: IrishCatholic

You are a classy individual IrishCatholic!


557 posted on 02/06/2011 2:53:25 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: narses

But only with permission of the hierarchy. Producing a Bible and reading WITH permission was never forbidden.

“According to c. 825, #1 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law, translations of the Bible into English or any other modern language cannot be published without the approval of the conference of bishops or the Apostolic See and must be “annotated with necessary and sufficient explanations.”

(www.ewtn.com/library/CANONLAW/VIORIGHT.HTM)

So the “access to Sacred Scripture” is through the narrow gap of the approval of the hierarchy, not so “wide open” at all! And hasn’t been for the last thousand years.


558 posted on 02/06/2011 2:53:49 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: narses

Is that original material or was it lifted from another source?


559 posted on 02/06/2011 2:56:25 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: roamer_1; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD
>> it is the Biblical foundation for infant baptism which I find to be lacking...<<

I don’t mean to stick my nose in here but when the jailor asked “what must I do to be saved”, the answer was “believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved-and your house”.

The thought process on baptizing children stems from that and other verses which indicate a “covering” by the professing parent. The children are baptized into the faith that the parents have. The personal confession of the individual after the age of accountability along with the personal relationship with Jesus is a different matter.

560 posted on 02/06/2011 2:58:11 PM PST by CynicalBear
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