How The Reformation Changed The Church

frontline.org ^ | Dr. Peter Hammond

[Alex Murphy]

Bishop Hooper, who along with Bishop Latimer was burned alive at the stake under Queen Mary, did a survey in 1551 and found that out of 311 clergy in his Diocese, 168 were unable to repeat the Ten Commandments, 31 of those 168 could not even say in which part of the Scripture the Ten Commandments were to be found, 40 could not tell where the Lord’s Prayer was written, and 31 of the 40 did not even know who the author of the Lord’s Prayer was!

Ping for later.

[CynicalBear]

>>the point remains, why does your heart go out to me because i am not “oneness”<<

No, my heart went out to you because you said you didn’t know the RCC believes that Mary was born sinless. Or did you not realize what you were saying in that reply either.

By the way, here is the entirety of the post 125 you told me the statement that I made.

To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Oh dear, are you serious? That answer sent a shock wave through me. Actually my heart goes out to you. Do you think others don’t as well?

125 posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 8:04:44 PM by CynicalBear

[presently no screen name]

another good night exposing lies and contending for the Body of Christ, the Church

That would be a Luther saying - are you a Luther wanna be?

[boatbums]

Here we are nearing four hundred posts and the thread has been hijacked into a spit-wad contest. Isn't there one Catholic out there that can intelligently speak to the subject matter without taking out the flamethrower? Anybody???

[metmom]

You’re just getting to this thread?

It’s been a wild ride. Do be sure and read ALL the posts.

[narses]

CHRISTUS VINCIT
Christ King of Glory

Acclamations VIII Cent.
Ambrosian Chant (Variant)

Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!
Exaudi, Christe. Ecclesiae Sanctae Dei salus perpetua. Redemptor mundi, Tu illam
adjuva!

Christ Lord of glory, Christ Prince of nations, Christ our King of kings! Christ Jesus,
hear us. Perpetual safety and welfare to the Church of God. Redeemer, Savior. Assist
and strengthen her.

1. Sancta Maria: Tu illam adjuva!
O Mary blessed Mother. Assist and strengthen her.

2. Sancte Joseph: Tu illam adjuva!
Joseph holy guardian. Assist and strengthen her.

3. Sancte Michael Tu illam adjuva!
Blessed Michael patron Assist and strengthen her.

Optional (Sancte Patricii: Tu illam adjuva!)
Blessed Saint Patrick: Assist and strengthen her.

All repeat: Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!

Exaudi, Christe. Pio summo Pontifici et universali Papae vita! Salvator mundi, Tu illum
adjuva!

Christ Jesus hear us. Life and health and blessings to Pope Pius our Holy Father.
Redeemer Savior, Assist and strengthen him.

1. Sancte Petre, Tu illum adjuva! 1. Rex regum!
Blessed Peter, Assist and strengthen him. King of kings.

2. Sancte Paule, Tu illum adjuva! 2. Rex noster!
Blessed Paul, assist and strengthen him. Christ our King

3. Spes nostra!
Christ our hope.

Repeat: Christus Vincit! etc.

Gloria nostra, Misericordia nostra! Auxilium nostrum! Fortitudo nostra, Ar ma nostra
invictissima! Murus noster inexpugnabilis! Defensio et exaltatio nostra!

Lux, Via, et Vita nostra! Ipsi soli imperium, Laus et jubilatio per infinita saecula
saeculorum. Amen.

Jesus our glory, Fountain of grace and all mercy. Source of all our blessing. Defender
in battle, Strong arm of our God invincible. Our stronghold and our exaltation. Our
captain leader who has won our salvation.

Christ Jesus, our life and light eternal. To Him only is victory all praise and jubilation.
Through all the endless ages of eternity. Amen.

Tempora bona veniant! Pax Christi veniat! Redemptis Sanguine Christi: Feliciter!
Regnum Christi veniat! Deo Gratias! Amen.

Abundance of good things be ours. The peace of Christ be ours. Redeemed by the blood
of Jesus. Proclaim our joy. May His holy kingdom come. Praise be to our God Amen.

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[metmom]

*snicker*

Just like Paul, Luther is OK when it suits a Catholic’s purpose.

You can’t quite tell if he’s the hero or the goat.

[CynicalBear]

Actually it was me who asked you the question whether you belonged to that church. Here’s the post.

To: one Lord one faith one baptism
>>because we believe the Church is the “pillar of truth”<<

Is this the church you belong to? http://www.truegospelofjesus.org/Pastor.htm

113 posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 7:39:51 PM by CynicalBear
Don’t try to tell us that I made statements I didn’t.

[metmom]

They can’t even keep their stories straight in witnessing against a no-Catholic.

Where have we seen that before?

Oh yeah.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

[CynicalBear]

He actually tried to claim I said something that someone else must have posted. Actually there was a post the I had asked him if that was his church.

[metmom]

I saw what he posted upthread, but without active links, there was no way to go back and verify what he said. ANd if he isn’t going to provide links to things, I’m not going back and hunting it down. If he wants people to see stuff, he can provide links himself, just like the rest of us do.

The posts he cited are not necessarily part of the same conversation. I have every reason to believe you over someone who tosses out snippets of unsubtantiated accusations via quote mining.

[boatbums]

care to share where this preserved church that did not fall was between 95ad and 1517ad?

Well, there's your first mistake. The "church" is not a "where" it is a "who" as in a spiritual body of believers in the Savior Jesus Christ. They are everywhere and in every place. It is those who boastfully claim to belong to "the One, True, Only" organization, relying upon this membership to be their salvation, that are NOT a part of the one, true, only SPIRITUAL body of Christ - and that is the REAL one.

[metmom]

He actually tried to claim I said something that someone else must have posted. Actually there was a post the I had asked him if that was his church.

Welcome to the club.

I've had people ragging on me about the divinity of Christ based on something someone thought I may have said or not said at some point some time ago.

[MarkBsnr]

it appears the oneness are out in force tonight.

Yes, including the newly unmasked.

[MarkBsnr]

Still trying to use stealth tactics to determine a person's denominational affiliation and compromise their screen name?

Manipulation seems to be a sacrament in the RCC.

Openly asking something for the first time is manipulation? Methinks that a bunch of you guys have something to hide and are ashamed of their faith.

[Quix]

[MarkBsnr]

The toes!!! I forgot about the toes. Can you ever forgive me?

[CynicalBear]

>> I have every reason to believe you over someone who tosses out snippets of unsubtantiated accusations via quote mining.<<

I can’t find where he even got that line. I certainly wouldn’t have made it because I belong to no organized religion.

[presently no screen name]

Exactly - Just like Paul. “If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord”. Rom 14:8 Win win either way. That Scripture came to mind when thinking of Paul.

Considering the thread - Reformation, I chose Luther and him being enslaved by those RCC heresy teachings.

[caww]

If you have a Bible in your own language, and enjoy to read and study God’s Word, never forget that you owe that Bible to the Reformation. Brave men and women died that you could have the freedom to delight in God’s Word.

If you know the joy of sins forgiven and new life in Christ, if you are walking by faith and enjoying peace with God, never forget that you owe this priceless privilege to the Reformation.

If you enjoy Church services, Scripture choruses, Hymns, prayers and sermons in your own language, remember that for this you are also indebted to the Reformation.

If you appreciate the Biblical and practical sermons of your pastor, and his counsel, never forget that for this you are indebted to the Reformation. The Reformation is the source of many blessings. We need to ask if we are on the side of the Reformers, or of those who burned them and the Bible. “… Contend earnestly for the Faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” Jude 3