How The Reformation Changed The Church

frontline.org ^ | Dr. Peter Hammond

[Quix]

Agreed.

AND

not but . . .

AND

Christ’s rebuke of the pharisees in the harshest strongest terms . . .

vipers, white washed tombs, sons of satan

were his strongest words of Love to them.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

God’s Word is perfect, you, unfortunately are not when you try and understand it. you apparently believe “the gates of hell” did prevail against the Church. tell me where the Church was for the first 1,500 years before Luther and Tyndale showed up? do you think you would be able to name 10 Christians in each of the first 15 centuries of the Church existence?

[boatbums]

I also think it is a diversionary tactic to sway the discussion away from the topic - which places their idolized “Church” in a not so idyllic position.

For those who are honest about such things, admission of past wrong actions and earnest striving to make things right would be far more productive and would bring the discussion back to the merits in the article - and there are many. There would be far more people interested in joining the chat once the riffraff trouble makers have left.

[Quix]

For those who are honest about such things, admission of past wrong actions and earnest striving to make things right would be far more productive and would bring the discussion back to the merits in the article - and there are many. There would be far more people interested in joining the chat once the riffraff trouble makers have left.

not holding my breath.

[Scoutdad]

Thanks. I appreciate that.

[xone]

The venom was on full display, the only thing contributed. I’ll take strike three as a poster displaying these characteristics isn’t one with which to associate. A drama queen.

[presently no screen name]

That is the essence of liars. Take snippets. Twist them. Ignore context. Etc.

Do you think posting EVERYTHING would put you in a better light? One 'scumbag' post is all I had to copy of yours - that was enough. There was nothing to ignore - it RANG LOUD AND CLEAR!

The vileness here is all yours.

I do feel vile and dirty after reading your posts. However, your posts added credence to the article.

What I have posted is my disgust at evil and those that feed on it.

You post evil because it disgust you? You certainly gave enough of it for some to feed on. Kudos to the Vatican.

And thank God for men like Luther and Tyndale - good and faithful servants for His Name's sake.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

you really need to post more often, yours is a perspective everyone can learn from. God bless.

[HossB86]

Well, folks, the bobbing and weaving continues. Of all the threads I’ve seen, this one takes the cake for pure vitriol and meanness. It’s almost like some of the RCCer’s are off their meds. Usually, it’s just post after post of scripture twisted to try to shoehorn the truth into falsehood; appeals to ‘tradition’; or just plain false-doctrine.

Sadly, this thread is different in that out and outright hatred is being touted as “defense” of the Roman Catholic Church.

Not good.

Romans 10:1-4:
“ 1 Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

It is truly my prayer that the Roman Catholic that hear the truths spoken of here will be saved — that their zeal would be for God and not for a man-made institution that seeks to establish its own righteousness...it is my prayer that they submit to God’s righteousness.

Hoss

[IrishCatholic]

Well, thanks for confirmation:
“That is the essence of liars. Take snippets. Twist them. Ignore context. Etc.”

And that's what you did in response. If you feel vile and dirty after reading my posts, maybe you are developing a conscience.

[CynicalBear]

Great article! Thanks for posting it. Sheds some light.

[presently no screen name]

before Luther and Tyndale showed up?

God's timing is always perfect - like HIS WORD. Don't question it.

do you think you would be able to name 10 Christians in each of the first 15 centuries of the Church existence?

All I need to know is the NAME JESUS!

[HossB86]

“You’re the one who came along and piddled on my shoe. I really don’t care who you associate with. You can go now”

My, my — a little bossy, no? I think xone has the more right to stay than you since you obviously have exceeded the limits of the forums’s posting rules, not to mention civility and good taste.

But why let civility or good taste, or plain ol’ love of brother get in your way?

tsk. tsk. tsk. If this is the result of Roman Catholic teaching, then the criticisms being leveled against the Roman Catholic Church are being proven more and more with every post you make.

Hoss

[xone]

Try to keep the thread impersonal. Perhaps write a note to that effect on the homepage. BTW its been a long time since non-Catholics shook in their boots from an arrogant papist overlord. They don’t do it now. Save your imperium for one that cares.

[metmom]

The Reformation gave the church back the Bible In 1519, six men and a woman were burned at Coventry for teaching their children the Ten Commandments, the Lord’s Prayer and the Apostle’s Creed in English. Nothing seems to have alarmed and enraged the Roman priesthood as much as the spread of Bibles in the local language. It was for the crime of translating the Bible into English that the Reformer, William Tyndale, was burned at the stake. Of all the aspects which combined to make up the Reformation, no other aspect received such bitter opposition as the translation and circulation of the Scriptures. The translation of the Bible struck a blow at the root of the whole Roman Catholic system. The Bible, as the only rule of faith and conduct, freely available in the local languages, was a threat to all the superstitions and abuses of the medieval Roman popery. With the Bible in every parish church, every thoughtful man soon saw that the religion of the priests had no basis in Holy Scripture.

Quite the reaction from some church which claims to have WRITTEN the very Bible it kept from the people.

What I find very interesting, is that many of the very reforms that Luther wished to have instituted in the Catholic church indeed HAVE been made. And we now find Catholics bragging about the very things existing in their church that Luther was ex-communicated for advocating.

I agree with Rnmom. I'm still waiting for some Catholic some where to actually address the topic of the article instead of deflecting and making personal attacks.

It would be nice to see some Catholic actually condemn the Inquisition for the abomination that it was, rather than long for the day of its return and try to provide Scripture to justify the murder of those who it deems heretics.

[Quix]

[IrishCatholic]

Think of it as the TEA Party of FR. I was tired of liars and scum holding sway and decided to call them on it. The TEA Party offends the Socialists. I am offending Catholic hating bigots.

[Quix]

INDEED.

I’d love to be able to pay some atheist communications profs to analyize the differences between RC & Proddy posting hereon from 4 randomnly chosen months over the last
2 years.

I think it would be a real eyeopener for any RC’s with a shred of fair-mindedness enough to respect the statistical facts . . . which evidently might be uhhhh . . .

0.00000000000000???

or maybe 1.0 on a good day?