Posted on 02/05/2011 11:07:42 AM PST by Gamecock
Well we relentlessly hammer the truth back at you! It is not “us” that reject the words of Christ but what your religion interprets the words of Christ to mean and there IS a difference.
AMEN!
Would you care to discuss action of Pope Paul IV in the context of the anti-semitism of the fathers of the reformation and the prevailing climate in Europe beginning with the books written by Luther or do you want to keep this strictly a Catholic bashing exercise?
Mary did not rescue this world by her will...what an affront to Christ Jesus.....and had she refused, "by her will", God could have certainly moved another individual who would be "willing"....... Further Praying to Mary is in direct opposition to the scriptures which clearly tell us "There is ONE mediator between God and man...and that is Christ Jesus".... alone...there is no other. Catholics tread dangerous ground by attempts to contact and pray to any other entity or thru anyone other than Christ.
The assertion was made that “Christ is seen blotting names out,” but in your verse from Revelation we see that Christ says He will NOT blot names out.
The only thing wrong in my statement was to say it was a "doctrine" of the Catholic Church. You cannot deny that your "Fathers" of the church have tossed the theological ball back and forth on this subject for centuries. Augustine taught that unbaptized babies went to "Limbo" which was envisioned as the outer rim of Hell. Different times and different teachers also said such things as Limbo was where the unbaptized babies went to a state of maximum natural happiness, others as one of "mildest punishment" consisting at least of privation of the beatific vision and of any hope of obtaining it. However, the idea of where babies go or Limbo, in any of its forms, has never been dogmatically defined by the Church, but it is permissible to hold it. As you stated the current belief or unbelief or we-don't really-know speculation tends to stress the hope that these infants may attain heaven instead of the supposed state of Limbo.
So I was NOT making a false statement. I remember being taught this and my Mom, who is still Catholic, just tonight answered that Limbo was, "A place where unbaptized babies go." Your supposed "Church Doctrine" is not doctrine at all, but a "we shall wait until someone else comes up with a better idea" thinking.
Then check your eye sight.
I admire Calvin's Scriptural knowledge and devotion to Christ.
I do not pray to him, kneel before him, believe him to be sinless, consider him my "co-redeemer" or "another Christ" and I sure don't believe he in any way provides me with salvation.
I do believe Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" is without parallel and is the second greatest book ever written, following the Bible.
That picture looks like a cartoon....sorry if it offends but that is just what it looks like. There is no way the artist knew what Elijah looked like....just another portrait of some mans imagination of what he determined....thus it is with many of the artists of history.
it was by her assent that Jesus was conceived and born.
please, please, stop with the phony “one mediator” charge. asking someone to pray for you, does not make them a second mediator.
don’t you know God is a God of the living and not the dead?
you don’t understand that those in the Body of Christ, be they on earth or already in heaven, can come boldly to the throne of grace.
Revelation tells us the martyrs are very much aware of what is happening on earth.
finally, if you have a problem with the prayer, take it up with St Augustine, he wrote it.
What is the downside of believing that? I don't see any. Grace saves, and grace alone.
well, he was baptized a Catholic.
i always wondered and i’m sure you know, did he ever get re-baptized when he left the Church?
So where is that “prayer by Augustine” from? What is it attributed to?
No, Calvin was against re-baptism.
If Baptism is a sign and seal of the work God has promised to perform in the child of a believer than what reason is there to baptize again?
We assume God was paying attention the first time. 8~)
Ping to 1370.
the site didn’t give that detail, or else i would have provided it. there are many prayers to Mary by him. you do know that the earliest recorded prayers to her and the saints are from the second century, and by the 4th century there is overwelming documentation of such prayers. you keep alluding to his maturing in faith as he got older, you can look long and hard and he never condemned the practice. and as we both know, he was not shy about fighting heresy.
thanks for the response.
You might want to rethink that comment..... Never will I stop repeating that Jesus Christ is the only mediator "BETWEEN" God and Man. Never. It is truth and Jesus stated that He was time and time again. "No man can come to the Father except by me".... Further... praying for other Christians, who are here and alive, we are indeed encouraged to do. That is hardly the same as petitioning departed individuals. Again, Catholics are treading on dangerous ground when they petition departed individuals for assistance.
Not a time to emulate.
of course there is only one mediator between God and man, and it is Jesus.
the phony charge is that Catholics don’t believe that!!
no, devotion to Mary is much older and really springs from the Apostle John if you trace the tradition.
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