Posted on 01/30/2011 7:27:59 AM PST by Paragon Defender
Non-Mormons, allow me to interpret this for you: Mormons believe that Heavenly Father resides in the "celestial kingdom" (the upper portion of heaven) and ONLY resides there.
So, of course, since Christians don't believe in these "other necessary ordinances" (ritualistic temple works & the like) that Mormon leadership imposes upon the world -- Mormons believe that Christians will only get to reside in the ghettos and slums of heaven.
Now why do I call them "slums?"
Because they assure us that we Christians will be living outside the eternal presence of Heavenly Father!
If he ain't there, it ain't heaven!
The utter nerve of Mormons to claim that heaven can be heaven minus the presence of the Father!
Might as well be. All fictional characters.
Heh heh. Geography must not be one of their strong points. lol!
You know, this got to me thinking about what I read from some of their “prophets, seers, and revelators” plus some apostles, regarding the conception of Jesus.
Brigham Young said, "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).
Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).
Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218).
{I really like this next one...}
Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19).
{Uhm, hello!!?? Alma "said" it.}
Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated, "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547). "And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).
Heber C. Kimball who was a member of the first presidency said,"In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it." (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211).
Now, before anyone argues that the JoD are to be discounted as just the “opinions of men”, read this…
"The Journal of Discourses is a vehicle of doctrine, counsel, and instruction to ALL people, but especially to the Saints. It follows then, then, [sic] that each successive volume is more and more valuable as the Church increases in numbers and importance in the earth." Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. iii (1867) " — Brigham Young
So God had sex with Mary and Jesus was conceived through physical relations according to mormon prophets, apostles and seventy’s. Yet, the BoM [“…the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our [mormon] religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”] says something different, “by the power of the Holy Ghost”.
A supposed ancient record translated through the power of God says something completely different than what purported “prophets” of God revealed.
How is that possible? Is the BoM “not translated correctly”?
Did the mormon god “get it wrong”?
Will they have Mogen David in Heaven?
Dear Lord, we all want to know,
Will they have Mogen David in Heaven?
Sweet Jesus, if they don’t ... who the hell wants to go...
Larry Gatlin.
We he is only human...
Alf is not real ???
That’s right, “things happen”, how could I forget?
Non-Mormons, allow me to interpret this for you: Mormons believe that Heavenly Father resides in the “celestial kingdom” (the upper portion of heaven) and ONLY resides there.
So, of course, since Christians don’t believe in these “other necessary ordinances” (ritualistic temple works & the like) that Mormon leadership imposes upon the world — Mormons believe that Christians will only get to reside in the ghettos and slums of heaven.
Now why do I call them “slums?”
Because they assure us that we Christians will be living outside the eternal presence of Heavenly Father!
If he ain’t there, it ain’t heaven!
The utter nerve of Mormons to claim that heaven can be heaven minus the presence of the Father!
Non-Mormons, don’t let someone like Colofornian interpret these things for you. That’s like he’s doing you a favor right? His view is strangely slanted and in some cases incorrect (paragraph 2).
Don’t take my word for it. Want to know the truth? Look for yourselves. Study it out from both sides. Seeing the truth about these things and realizing how anti-Mormon propagandists twist and misrepresent will become one ahah! moment after another. It’s quite fascinating actually.
Non-Mormons, allow me to interpret this for you: Mormons believe that Heavenly Father resides in the “celestial kingdom” (the upper portion of heaven) and ONLY resides there.
So, of course, since Christians don’t believe in these “other necessary ordinances” (ritualistic temple works & the like) that Mormon leadership imposes upon the world — Mormons believe that Christians will only get to reside in the ghettos and slums of heaven.
Now why do I call them “slums?”
Because they assure us that we Christians will be living outside the eternal presence of Heavenly Father!
If he ain’t there, it ain’t heaven!
The utter nerve of Mormons to claim that heaven can be heaven minus the presence of the Father!
Non-Mormons, don’t let someone like Colofornian interpret these things for you. That’s like he’s doing you a favor right? His view is strangely slanted and in some cases incorrect (paragraph 2).
Don’t take my word for it. Want to know the truth? Look for yourselves. Study it out from both sides. Seeing the truth about these things and realizing how anti-Mormon propagandists twist and misrepresent will become one ahah! moment after another. It’s quite fascinating actually.
Cause the Bible apparently trumps the Book of Mormon, which claimed that Jesus was born in Jerusalem.
Yet another in a long line of old and tired non-issues easily found at the links I provide. Still regurgitated by anti-Mormon propagandists. Still not an issue.
That is a lie. Colofornian may have used colorful language to describe the teaching, but the premise is correct.
Mormons teach that without all of the "ordinances", one cannot dwell in the presence of [the mormon] god in the celestial kingdom.
Wanna try again?
That is a lie. Colofornian may have used colorful language to describe the teaching, but the premise is correct.
I’m not talking about the “colorful language” as you put it.
There’s actually 2 glaring incorrect statements in paragraph 2. Easily found if anyone actually tries.
The first I’ll give you because we disagree on that Mormon’s are Christian. He stated that “Christians don’t believe” etc which is false since Mormons believe and are Christians.
Rather than pointlessly argue with anti-Mormon activists to a pointless end, I’ll let the onlooker, if they are truly interested in the truth, figure it out. Do I need to post my links?
Mormons teach that without all of the “ordinances”, one cannot dwell in the presence of God the Father in the celestial kingdom.
Clarified your statement above. This is absolutely correct.
This is one of the great blessings of having temples and doing temple work.
He stated that “Christians don’t believe” etc which is false since Mormons believe and are Christians.
At best, mormons don't represent ALL of Christianity - even if they were Christian. At worst pd has just told you baptists, catholics, penticostals, etc that you are not Christian.
Tell us PD, are you PERFECT as commanded by Jesus in Mt 5?
Hey PD are you PERFECT? Still waiting for your reply.
Temple work?
Funny the Real Christ never mentions temple work...
He just said “follow me”...
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