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To: boatbums; one Lord one faith one baptism
In fact bb, take heed of what Ignatius said

"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes"

This only ties in with what scripture has clearly stated of Christ inaugurating the Eucharist and Paul reiterating it in Corinthians. Deny scripture if you wish.
1,303 posted on 01/29/2011 5:17:42 AM PST by Cronos
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
From the catechism:
Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life (Jn 1:12-18; ⇒ 17:3; ⇒ Rom 8:14-17; ⇒ 2 Pet 1:3-4.)

Grace is a participation in the life of God.

This vocation to eternal life is supernatural. It depends entirely on God's gratuitous initiative, for he alone can reveal and give himself

The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it(Jn 4:14; ⇒ 7:38-39.).

It is in us the source of the work of sanctification

Therefore if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself. 2 Cor 5:17-18.

1,308 posted on 01/29/2011 5:30:06 AM PST by Cronos
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Quix; Alamo-Girl
From the catechism:
There are furthermore special graces, also called charisms after the Greek term used by St. Paul and meaning "favor," "gratuitous gift," "benefit."

Whatever their character - sometimes it is extraordinary, such as the gift of miracles or of tongues - charisms are oriented toward sanctifying grace and are intended for the common good of the Church. They are at the service of charity which builds up the Church 1 Cor 12..
Unlike Presbyterians and many other groups, we Catholics believe the the gifts like talking in tongues and miracles still continue. So too do our fellow Pentecostal brothers in Christ believe in this continuation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is powerful and to be praised

All glory to God!

1,310 posted on 01/29/2011 5:33:09 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
In fact bb, take heed of what Ignatius said

"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes"

This only ties in with what scripture has clearly stated of Christ inaugurating the Eucharist and Paul reiterating it in Corinthians. Deny scripture if you wish.

Certainly, you would want to have your words quoted in context, right? Then you should note that Ignatius was addressing heresies like Gnosticism that denied Jesus came in the flesh. Hence, his stressing the importance of recognizing the humanity of Christ as well as his deity in the celebration of the "Eucharist", which is thanksgiving for the gift of God's grace in becoming man, taking on flesh, and dying in our place to pay for our sins.

I find it curious that you assume I am denying Scripture, since in no place have I done so. I DO understand why you seem to want everyone to perhaps think I do, but it won't work. Anyone who reads my posts, knows my love for the Word of God and I will defend it against anybody who would subvert it for evil purposes.

Just another note, when Ignatius says, "They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.", do you possibly think he could be speaking of those who deny that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ? It is ironic that there are some people on this thread who insist that only their religion is the the true "church/body of Christ", yet they teach that men must do good works in order to be saved. They add to the Scriptures, which is condemned by God, by creating doctrine that is in direct opposition to God's word. You say you believe we are saved by grace, yet then turn around and add that it is by faith AND works that we can be saved. Who is really denying Scripture?

1,337 posted on 01/29/2011 1:40:07 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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