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To: vladimir998
Oh, please. Are you seriously going to compare a couple of centuries of Jews persecuting other Jews through mostly legal and social sanctions with two millennia of Christians repeatedly robbing, torturing, and murdering Jews?

Besides, the persecution of Jews against "Christians" (and I put that in quotes because they mostly ignored the Gentile portion of the Ekklesia) was dwarfed by the Gentile-dominated official Church's persecution of its own Jewish members. For between sixteen and eighteen centuries, Christianity made it impossible for a Jew to come to faith in a Jewish Messiah without giving up being Jewish. Whole inquisitions (including one rather famous one in Spain) were targeted specifically at Jewish believers in Yeshua to make them stop being Jewish.

Perhaps you should stop nursing a grudge over the relatively mild and short persecution of Jews against Christians and focus your wrath on the horrible and extended persecution of Christians against Christians--specifically, against what we today would call Messianic Jews.

Shalom

75 posted on 01/20/2011 6:11:37 AM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman

You wrote:

“Oh, please. Are you seriously going to compare a couple of centuries of Jews persecuting other Jews through mostly legal and social sanctions with two millennia of Christians repeatedly robbing, torturing, and murdering Jews?”

Yes, because the latter really didn’t happen. The idea that Jews were repeatedly robbed, tortured and murdered for two millenia is an assertion without any proof. Was there oppression of Jews? Yes. Was it constant? No. If it happened as you say it, then there would be no Jews in any Christian country today.

“Besides, the persecution of Jews against “Christians” (and I put that in quotes because they mostly ignored the Gentile portion of the Ekklesia) was dwarfed by the Gentile-dominated official Church’s persecution of its own Jewish members.”

What? Jewish members? Okay, I’ll bite: Where did the Church have Jewish members in say the 10th century?

“For between sixteen and eighteen centuries, Christianity made it impossible for a Jew to come to faith in a Jewish Messiah without giving up being Jewish.”

When Jewishness is automatically associated with the denial of Christianity you can see why that would be a problem. Even today Jewish converts to orthodox Christianity routinely - and oif their own accord - give up most Jewish practices for they see them as largely a foreshadowing of Christian ones. Besides, most Jews today barely practice Judaism. Many are really agnostic Jews who only discover faith in God through Christianity.

“Whole inquisitions (including one rather famous one in Spain) were targeted specifically at Jewish believers in Yeshua to make them stop being Jewish.”

False. The Spanish Inquisition was actually formed - if you actually read the primary documents (which I bet you never have) - for the prortection of New Christians (those of Jewish ancestory) from attacks by Old Christians and to protect the Old Christians from deceptions practiced by New Christians (e.g. such as a priest of New Christian extraction never giving absolution to penitents and rebellions by New Christians as well).

“Perhaps you should stop nursing a grudge over the relatively mild and short persecution of Jews against Christians and focus your wrath on the horrible and extended persecution of Christians against Christians—specifically, against what we today would call Messianic Jews.”

1) Murder of believers in Christ can never be called mild except by someone who is an apologist for Satan.

2) No Christians today are persecuting “Messianic Christians” - but Jews in Israel are persecuting both “Messianic Christians” and those who come from centuries old Christian families. And it is getting worse.


77 posted on 01/20/2011 6:33:06 AM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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