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To: Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; xzins; TXnMA; betty boop; James C. Bennett; MarkBsnr
On the first point, it should be clear to you by now that I will never yield the rules of engagement to anyone who has suggested that God is a hypothesis or a pink unicorn.

And I will never yield to your assertion that something is a fact simply because you believe it is.

God is not a hypothesis. He lives.

Prove it.

I’ve known Him for a half century and counting.

That proves nothing.

On the second point, space, time and causality are part of the creation not properties of – or restrictions on – the Creator of them.

No one knows that for sure. Your assertion is based on a theory.

The measurements of the cosmic microwave background radiation from the 1960s forward all accrue to the same point: that the universe is expanding.

When, according to the same theory it should be slowing down.

That means that there was a beginning of real space and real time, that space/time does not pre-exist but is created as the universe expands. “In the beginning, God created…”

No, it simply suggests that there was an event, not the "beginning". Again, the rest is clouded in various  (ever-emerging) theories.

That no physical cosmology (big bang/inflationary model, cyclic, imaginary time, multi-verse, ekpyrotic, etc.) can explain the beginning of real time is considered the great weakness of them all.  

Invoking an imaginary creator is a weakness in itself known as the god-of-gaps.

The exercise in post 363 is as simple as I can make it and still illustrate that the beginning of space/time and therefore physical causality requires an uncaused cause.

How do you know the "uncaused" cause was uncaused?

On the third point, the Hebraism in Genesis 2:17, the repetition of the word means that Adam was cursed with more death than a simple “lights out” physical death.

No, it simply means that Adam became mortal. For example, fwiw, in its Genesis 2:35-36, the Pseudo-Jonathan Targum quotes Gen 2:17 as “on the day which you eat of it you shall incur the death-penalty.”  

And concerning the curse being “in the day” and Adam living over nine hundred years...It is literal, as evidenced by the curse and how long Adam lived, and has to do with prophecy.

Adam did not live 1,000 years.

487 posted on 01/19/2011 10:38:19 PM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit...give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- Mithral prayer)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Behold the foretold raucous, negative squawk of the Yabbutus congenitalis...
489 posted on 01/19/2011 10:52:44 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: kosta50; TXnMA; MHGinTN; xzins; betty boop; James C. Bennett; MarkBsnr
me: On the first point, it should be clear to you by now that I will never yield the rules of engagement to anyone who has suggested that God is a hypothesis or a pink unicorn.

you: And I will never yield to your assertion that something is a fact simply because you believe it is.

Not allowing you to dictate the rules of engagement entails not allowing you to control the dictionary.

How do you know the "uncaused" cause was uncaused?

Please refer back to the exercise at 363, i.e. space/time precedes physical causation therefore the cause of space/time cannot be "in" space/time (physical, thing, event, caused.)

On the last point, the Targum is not translation but interpretation. The interpretation of men is interesting but not determinative to me.

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. – Deuteronomy 4:2

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:27

God's Name is I AM.

495 posted on 01/20/2011 6:25:58 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; xzins; TXnMA; YHAOS; James C. Bennett; MarkBsnr; spirited irish
Invoking an imaginary creator is a weakness in itself known as the god-of-gaps.

Well I'm not so sure about all that.

For one thing, there are no "gaps." The reason for that being: The Creator is not merely imaginary. He is omniscient and omnipotent. By our observation, He HAD to be thus, to have made the world we see all around us as parts and participants thereof. :^)

You are on record as saying that all views of God are opinions only. You even suggest that persons holding such opinions are morons.

Further, you rule out testimony as having any evidentiary value whatsoever.

Great. The position your line of thinking lands us in would seem to go something like this:

Aletheia logos must succumb, must give "right of way," to doxa.

"Aletheia logos" refers to a truthful, sworn statement — a "testimony" in the legal sense, and more. "Doxa" refers to whatever opinion commands public support at a given time. And times are ever a-changing....

You live on a slippery slope, my friend. I hope you will soon find your "legs."

817 posted on 01/23/2011 4:13:15 PM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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