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To: kosta50

What sense does it make to expect that a world fallen to sin would be a world with no suffering and no sorrow?

Now, you can claim you don’t believe the Bible in its entirety. But you can’t logically make the argument that mankind’s suffering from the effects of God’s wrath is inherently contradictory, when the Bible itself tells us that the evil repercussions of sin will effect the lives of people beyond merely that of the individual who committed the sin.

And you cannot claim it makes sense for us to expect to fully understand all the reasons for God’s actions. If you think you can make this claim, then make the claim and give support for it.


1,625 posted on 03/14/2011 1:18:19 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin is above taking the fake high road.)
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To: reasonisfaith; James C. Bennett
What sense does it make to expect that a world fallen to sin would be a world with no suffering and no sorrow?

What sense does it make that a perfect Maker would make an imperfect world?

Now, you can claim you don’t believe the Bible in its entirety. But you can’t logically make the argument that mankind’s suffering from the effects of God’s wrath is inherently contradictory, when the Bible itself tells us that the evil repercussions of sin will effect the lives of people beyond merely that of the individual who committed the sin.

I don't need the Bible to know that evildoing of some affects others.  

And you cannot claim it makes sense for us to expect to fully understand all the reasons for God’s actions.

I would never presume to understand the reasons for God's actions (if his thoughts are different than mine) but I would not presume they are just or good either. Maybe you can explain to me why God commands infanticide and that is good, and when people do it it is evil. Either the world is exactly the way God wants it to be, or it isn't. Personally, I think the world is the way it is, whether you and I understand it or not, and no god has anything to do with it.

1,627 posted on 03/14/2011 9:31:32 PM PDT by kosta50
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