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To: reasonisfaith; James C. Bennett
What sense does it make to expect that a world fallen to sin would be a world with no suffering and no sorrow?

What sense does it make that a perfect Maker would make an imperfect world?

Now, you can claim you don’t believe the Bible in its entirety. But you can’t logically make the argument that mankind’s suffering from the effects of God’s wrath is inherently contradictory, when the Bible itself tells us that the evil repercussions of sin will effect the lives of people beyond merely that of the individual who committed the sin.

I don't need the Bible to know that evildoing of some affects others.  

And you cannot claim it makes sense for us to expect to fully understand all the reasons for God’s actions.

I would never presume to understand the reasons for God's actions (if his thoughts are different than mine) but I would not presume they are just or good either. Maybe you can explain to me why God commands infanticide and that is good, and when people do it it is evil. Either the world is exactly the way God wants it to be, or it isn't. Personally, I think the world is the way it is, whether you and I understand it or not, and no god has anything to do with it.

1,627 posted on 03/14/2011 9:31:32 PM PDT by kosta50
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To: kosta50

It makes no sense to expect that the object of creation can possess the mind of the creator. There’s just no way around this.

Your mind in this discussion is more like a bird flying into a window, falling down, then flying into it again, over and over. Me, I’m just another bird, sort of like you. I know how hard that window is.

When you’re away from the computer, maybe driving down the road or waiting in some line somewhere, or trying to fall asleep at night. I would ask you, humbly, to consider something. (If you don’t fear nonbelief, you won’t shun a moment’s contemplation of Christian mythology.)

Think about the idea that any good in you is put there by God, and any love in your heart is love from God. Think about God’s handwriting. There in the bosom of a man, every beat is another moment of life, another chance to live. To think, to dream, to see what’s right in front of you.


1,628 posted on 03/15/2011 6:51:10 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin is above taking the fake high road.)
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