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To: reasonisfaith
"Science is but a raft whose journey depends entirely on the river of logical thinking.

No, science is the fluid that flows in the river. A raft is external to it.

" Where the waters become chaotic the raft flips over, or runs aground."

...but science does not, because science understands chaos as simply the study of the behavior of "mixing".

"reason is faith

Faith is simply believing what someone says, regardless of ryme, reason, or whether what's believed is true. Reason is a process by which one measures and analyzes concepts and claims in order to make a subsequent decision on that basis. Reason is not faith, nor is faith equivalent to reason.

1,390 posted on 02/12/2011 9:22:32 PM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
“No, science is the fluid that flows in the river. A raft is external to it.”

Not so. The facts of science are external to the flow of logic—in the same way that particular values for x are external to mathematical statements for x.

“but science does not, because science understands chaos as simply the study of the behavior of ‘mixing’.”

You’re about one step away from making the claim that chaos is order (or that A≠A). Again, the context of science is logic—science is always subject to logic. This is why twisted logic completely destroys any assertion about science.

“Reason is not faith, nor is faith equivalent to reason”

But all reason necessarily follows a premise. Reason can never stand alone. You’ve got to start with something solid to stand on. What is the basis for the beginning of man’s reason? At best it’s mere subjectivity. Faith is the substrate for reason.
1,433 posted on 02/16/2011 4:02:00 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Relativism is the intellectual death knell of progressive ideology.)
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